Why do you hate Jews?
ECT "Rebellion against Pauline authority"
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I don't.
mysteryboy, like most Darby followers, desperately tries to change the subject when he can't defend his Dispensationalism.
SaulToPaul 2
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(Gal 4:25) Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children.
Who is the mother of the free children?
SaulToPaul 2
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:chuckle:
Hagar represents the Jerusalem at that time
Sarah represents the New Jerusalem
Sarah is not the New Jerusalem's mother!!!
Who bore children that are slaves, and who bore children that are free?
Wrong again mysteryboy.
However, keep looking to the flesh. Keep telling yourself that God still looks to the flesh. You need to do that in order for Darby's false teachings to work.
You are both half-off.
Thus, each your respective Reformed/Almost Acts 28 conclusions.
You both need to put both your answers on this...together.
And Paul only brings such things up where he does in his writings when he is attempting to point out to both members of God's Two-Fold Household (Israel of God/Body of Christ) what both nevertheless have in actual origin in common - the Lord.
The Israel of God in Abraham's same faith toward God AFTER he was in Circumcision; and the Body of Christ in Abraham's same faith toward God BEFORE - when he was in UNcircumcision.
He is the God of...both.
And with the one household having temporarily diminished away as the other even now continues to head towards its fullness...
As a result, things ended up as if Abraham had remained in his faith toward God when he was in UNcircumcision (a Gentile) - ALL now being viewed as lost Gentiles in need of Paul's "gospel of the UNcircumcision."
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Nope.
All this does is prove that you have been brainwashed by Darby.
Nobody taught this nonsense before Darby.
Show me anyone who taught a "two-fold household" before 1830 (the year Darby invented Dispensationalism)?
Interplanner
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There wouldn't be a problem if he just meant that both Jew and Gentile were in it. But he means that two sets of promises are maintained--ol' 2P2P.
1.No one taught your satanic Preterism/AD 70-ism, before Russell, and no one taught your satanic, cult version of Preterism, before you.
2. For over the 100th time, sweetie-explain how when you discover objective truth, i.e., "how old" a "belief system" is, determines it's veracity.
The punk weasels out on that one-has for years.
Why is that, weasel?
Show me anyone who taught this Roman army "invention," before you. Names, punk.
"Tet is a preterist that believes Christ already returned in 70 AD viathe Roman Army."-Tambora, on another TOL thread
"Correct, and thanks for making it clear that it was the Roman army that was His return."-stupid Craigie
"The Roman army destroyed Jerusalem in 70AD. That is what Jesus meant when He said He will return."-Gomer Tet.
Acts 17:19 And they took him, and brought him unto Areopagus, saying, May we know what this new doctrine, whereof thou speakest, is?
17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
17:33 So Paul departed from among them.
17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
17:32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked: and others said, We will hear thee again of this matter.
17:33 So Paul departed from among them.
Good post.
Ignorance certainly is your "Forte." Good for you. Somebody had to take the initiative.
Interplanner
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No, this is not true at all. Zionism is a literalism about the prophets that does not exist in the NT. The NT never reads them that way, in its 2500 uses.
Zionism is driven by 2P2P--that there are two separate programs going on. Instead of accepting the one unified message of the Gospel in the NT, 2P2P maintains two separate things going on across the board.
The most common thing that happens when I try to get people to study the 2500 is that they refer to UNQUOTED OT passages. Very curious. The apostles spend most of their time on Ps 2, 16 and 110, so the objections that come back to me from literalists and Zionists are about Ezek 38 or Zech ##. Christ and the apostles don't refer to those, so they are used by 2P2P folks to preserve--basically--what Judaism always thought that they meant, as found in Jn 12:34. "We've heard out of the Law that the Christ will rule forever" (meaning, a Judaic theocracy will be re-established; not meaning the NHNE after struggling with years of opposition and unbelief in this life).
Interplanner
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Modern Zionism is the result of modern Jewish people going back to their old covenant roots and reading everything that way, as though Christ never came. The paradox is that futurists, D'ists, 2P2P folks think this is just grand!