The 17th cent.? Can you make a historical reference there? I'm not aware of any. I'm not aware of it showing up in Ribera. But it did through Miss MacDonald and the Brethren. The kind of rapture that rescued from an immediate danger (in Thess but not in I cor 15) had to do with fleeing the 1st century destruction of Israel through the anti-leadership of the son of perdition, etc. It was not meant to be about 'dematerializing' but was about getting the believers out of a dangerous situation in Judea so that the church would not suffer a major hit.
For some one who claims to both "do the history" and rely on same, your sure have an odd way of showing that you actually "do" just that.
Even within your own school of thought, more or less - Preterism - a good number of people have asserted a literal, physical catching up and away of many saints into glory by the Lord.
Of course; they assert it took place in 70AD.
They see it IN Scripture; they just don't know what to make of it and or how to understand it.
In J.S. Russell's Preterism, for example - written around the time of Darby - Russell concludes a Rapture only of key saints; the rest having to wait with us for our perfection...
His sounds much like that of that other Russell - Charles Taze Russell's people - the Jehovah's Witnesses' "144,000" notion.
See; some of us MADs are more than well aware of these "histories."
But the issue for us is the actual distinction our assertion is based on, and it is not Ryrie's erroneous Israel/Body distinction.
Rather, the distinction that allowed seeing that one.
Martin Luther and some of the other Reformers saw it for a minute, but then soon lost sight of it once more.
And there were others in between that time and Darby.
Who knows how many down through history never put pen to paper on these issues.
Others in between either saw the core distinction, or having failed to, wrote of their being unwilling to accept other distinctions only the core distinction actually allows seeing with greater clarity.
Jonathan Edwards was one of the latter of those two just under a hundred years before the teenager McDonald read her Post-Trib Rapture into the various passages she was clearly at least familiar with.
That you and yours far too often prove you do not even know what core distinction I am referring to just shows you don't even know what you are asserting against, nor of where you are affirming against it.
Not that that has ever stopped you and your kind from waxing worse and worse where these issues are really concerned.
It is pointless to address you and yours with anything but the little respect your continued falsehoods in your incompetence and laziness continue to ask for.
