ECT PROTESTANT REFORMERS HAD NO LEGITIMATE MISSION FROM GOD TO REFORM THE CHURCH

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The Protestant reformers had no legitimate mission from God---or from someone given power by God---to reform the Church:

Jesus Christ instructed His Apostles to preach the Gospel to the whole world (Mt. 28:18-20; cf. 1 Tim. 3:15), therefore they had an "immediate" mission from God. St. Paul sent Timothy of Ephesus and Titus of Crete as Bishops to help him on his first mission, therefore they had a "mediate" mission from someone given the power by God to send them.

On the other hand, never have we seen any of the Protestant reformers show any mission from God or from anyone else to reform the Church. Rather it is readily apparent they wrongfully took it upon themselves to make reforms. "How shall they preach unless they be sent" (Rom. 10:15)?

No individual has the right to associate himself with the Apostles or attempt to act under their authority; the individual must be sent or commissioned with divine authority. "He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up another way, the same is a thief and a robber" (Jn. 10:1). Here we see Martin Luther openly agreeing with this.

Consider verses such as "As the Father hath sent me, I also send you" John 20:21 and "He that receiveth whomsoever I send, receiveth me" (Jn. 13:20; cf. Lk. 10:16).

How can people without any authority attempt to make such drastic decisions affecting a divinely founded, global Church? Laity or princes do not have authority or power to start such a mission, rather someone must be sent legitimately, in Apostolic fashion, such as from a Bishop, or their mission is null. "Neither doth any man take the honor to himself but he that is called by God, as Aaron was" (Heb. 5:4).

If you say the reformers were given appropriate mission to reform the Catholic Church, then we ask who is the authority that sent them? We know it was not the Catholic Church for the ideas of the Reformation are against Catholic teaching, and it was not the Lutheran and other Protestant churches for they were not yet formed when the Reformation was being organized. So on whose authority was the mission of the Reformation?

If the Church from which the Protestant reformers came were true, they can only be labeled heretics for having left it. And if the Church from which the reformers came were NOT true, then that church could not have given the reformers a true mission to reform the Catholic Church.



~ Saju Davis, via FACEBOOK (3-14-2015)
 

Totton Linnet

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What a caricature, what a parody...Catholics who receive their commission one from another sacramentally.

We believe in the necessity of PERSONAL and DIRECT revelation from God for salvation and for service.
 
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Totton Linnet

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I believe two things are going to happen soon, first Islam as a religion is going to be destroyed and second Catholicism as a religion is going to be destroyed.
 

Danoh

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The Protestant reformers had no legitimate mission from God---or from someone given power by God---to reform the Church:

You're right - theirs had been more along a line as if the Apostle Paul had turned back to Israel once more, after that final pronouncement in Acts 28.

For him to have attempted to after that final pronouncement would have been to attempt to "reform" a thing dead in trespasses and sins; a thing that never had any life in it to begin with.
 

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The Catholic Church is not a cult. It is satan's counterfeit church with a different gospel. Too bad is too 15 centuries for some cookoo to figure this out
 

oatmeal

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The Protestant reformers had no legitimate mission from God---or from someone given power by God---to reform the Church:

Jesus Christ instructed His Apostles to preach the Gospel to the whole world (Mt. 28:18-20; cf. 1 Tim. 3:15), therefore they had an "immediate" mission from God. St. Paul sent Timothy of Ephesus and Titus of Crete as Bishops to help him on his first mission, therefore they had a "mediate" mission from someone given the power by God to send them.

On the other hand, never have we seen any of the Protestant reformers show any mission from God or from anyone else to reform the Church. Rather it is readily apparent they wrongfully took it upon themselves to make reforms. "How shall they preach unless they be sent" (Rom. 10:15)?

No individual has the right to associate himself with the Apostles or attempt to act under their authority; the individual must be sent or commissioned with divine authority. "He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up another way, the same is a thief and a robber" (Jn. 10:1). Here we see Martin Luther openly agreeing with this.

Consider verses such as "As the Father hath sent me, I also send you" John 20:21 and "He that receiveth whomsoever I send, receiveth me" (Jn. 13:20; cf. Lk. 10:16).

How can people without any authority attempt to make such drastic decisions affecting a divinely founded, global Church? Laity or princes do not have authority or power to start such a mission, rather someone must be sent legitimately, in Apostolic fashion, such as from a Bishop, or their mission is null. "Neither doth any man take the honor to himself but he that is called by God, as Aaron was" (Heb. 5:4).

If you say the reformers were given appropriate mission to reform the Catholic Church, then we ask who is the authority that sent them? We know it was not the Catholic Church for the ideas of the Reformation are against Catholic teaching, and it was not the Lutheran and other Protestant churches for they were not yet formed when the Reformation was being organized. So on whose authority was the mission of the Reformation?

If the Church from which the Protestant reformers came were true, they can only be labeled heretics for having left it. And if the Church from which the reformers came were NOT true, then that church could not have given the reformers a true mission to reform the Catholic Church.



~ Saju Davis, via FACEBOOK (3-14-2015)

Not from the RCC point of view, that's for sure.

However, since God promises that those who hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled, Matthew 5:6, and the RCC is not capable of doing that, God raised up and continues to raise up men and women to speak the truth in love to those who hunger and thirst.
 

keypurr

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The Catholic Church is not a cult. It is satan's counterfeit church with a different gospel. Too bad is too 15 centuries for some cookoo to figure this out

I think it is a cult, it has many pagan doctrines.
Protestants would do well to stray further away from it's influence.
 

oatmeal

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Not from the RCC point of view, that's for sure.

However, since God promises that those who hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled, Matthew 5:6, and the RCC is not capable of doing that, God raised up and continues to raise up men and women to speak the truth in love to those who hunger and thirst.

The RCC with what little scripture it actually utilizes has very little gospel to preach to the whole world.

God wants people who are living truths like Ephesians 1:17-19, Romans 5:1, 8:1-39, I Corinthians 12-14, who are living epistles to lead God's people.

God has people who know the difference between truth and tradition (whether RCC or other man made traditions) to teach the truth to those who hunger and thirst for righteousness.

God has sent the unexpected to preach the gospel to His people. People who were not accepted by the religious elite, people who did not have "official" authority or held high positions in the hierarchy of the temples or synagogues or churches.

Take Peter and the apostle for example, not one of them were officials in the temple. Ananias, who ministered to Saul of Tarsus, was a certain disciple.

Oh, and let us not forget Jesus who the religious hierarchy thought was a bastard child, born of fornication. He did not fit within the religious hierarchy of his day, remember, if you can, that Jesus was crucified by the religious hierarchy of his day.

You love to claim your status as the religious hierarchy. That, in and of itself, casts suspicion on your doctrines and motives.

God commissioned the apostles and prophets and pastors and teachers and evangelists, not a religious hierarchy.

My hunger and thirst for righteousness was not going to be filled by the religious hierarchy of the RCC, (although, I do and have freely declared that I did learn a little scripture in the RCC), the knowledge, or should I say, the accurate knowledge of scripture that the RCC holds is extremely limited, maybe enough for an appetizer, but not enough for daily bread for the rest of my life.

God bless any individuals within the RCC that are searching for truth, but if they want to abound in God's truth and love and mercy and grace and light and goodness, they will have to go elsewhere.
 

Cruciform

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I believe two things are going to happen soon, first Islam as a religion is going to be destroyed and second Catholicism as a religion is going to be destroyed.
I'd ask you to post your proof, but you simply won't (can't). In any case, do you have anything to offer that engages with the actual content of the OP? If not, you're off-topic.
 

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The Apostle says;

Romans 1:16-17 King James Version (KJV)

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Do the Catholics believe in Sola Fide? No! So according to Pauls' writings they embrace a false gospel
 

Cruciform

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However, since God promises that those who hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled, Matthew 5:6, and the RCC is not capable of doing that, God raised up and continues to raise up men and women to speak the truth in love to those who hunger and thirst.
That certainly is an interesting tradition of men that you've been taught by your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Christian sect. Now go ahead and post your proof.
 

Cruciform

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The RCC with what little scripture it actually utilizes has very little gospel to preach to the whole world.
Coming as they do from a publicly-admitted non-Christian, your opinions ring rather hollow here. In any case, you have failed to engage with the actual content of the OP, and so are simply off-topic.
 

Cruciform

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The Apostle says;

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Do the Catholics believe in Sola Fide?
Of course not, since neither this biblical text nor any other teaches anything like the false 16th-century Protestant tradition of sola fide, and neither did the early Christian Church. For more info, see this and this.

I any case, your post fails to engage in the actual content of the OP, and so is simply off-topic. Try again.



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