You are right.
Jesus' teachings are practical. We need to read what Jesus teaches with overall context.
Protecting Loved Ones
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You are right.
Jesus' teachings are practical. We need to read what Jesus teaches with overall context.
Huckleberry
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Even if that were so (I disagree and find that whole post to be a big ball of twisted definitions) it still doesn't correspond to the question of "responding to violence in kind" nor self-defense.
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elohiym
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Crack a history book open.
Did I say all of them? No.
Talk is cheap. What are you doing to defend the babies being aborted near you?
I haven't said their opinions trump other opinions, but we should consider why the Ante-Nicene period church was against military service and violence in self-defense.
They were trying to arrest God. Okay? Just drop the lawful authority argument right there.
You are only proving what I claimed. What you need to do is prove he meant take two swords to stab their enemies instead of for cutting meat.
elohiym
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That's not what I'm saying to do.
Between do nothing and violent self-defense there are a multitude of options, especially for those being protected by God.
Do you disagree?
Well....You can sing "Kum-Bah-Yah" too if it makes you feel better. :idunno:
elohiym
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Sung at the right pitch it will damage their eardrums and allow him to escape. :chuckle:
It helps to be a Black-Belt in Martial Vocalisms. :chuckle:
elohiym
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Actually, No, It's not :chuckle:...While I am a rather strong proponent of self-defense I am in full agreement that violence should always be a last resort and quite often is unnecessary if alternate approaches are considered.
matt86
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Somewhat. I believe that God guarantees nothing for you but salvation. He gives people on earth free will. If someone uses their free will to attack me or my family, I do not believe that I should be able to defend my family and myself with what means I need to. Usually asking them to just stop doesn't work.
elohiym
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elohiym
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Consider these scriptures:
Isaiah 41:10 fear not, for I am with you; be not dismayed, for I am your God; I will strengthen you, I will help you, I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.
Isaiah 54:17 no weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall refute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD and their vindication from me, declares the LORD.”
Psalm 46:1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Psalm 91:1-3 He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will abide in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say to the LORD, “My refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust.” For he will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence.
Psalm 121:7-8 The LORD will keep you from all evil; he will keep your life. The LORD will keep your going out and your coming in from this time forth and forevermore.
That doesn't mean He doesn't intervene. The Bible records Him intervening because He does, and He still does in this age. Have faith He will intervene and He will because it is written that he will, and the scriptures cannot be broken.
For the record, such a person has a will in bondage to sin--not free (Ro 8:7).
What you believe will determine what you do in that situation, just like the person attacking you and your family. If you fear for your life, you will fight for it ... or beg for it.
matt86
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Hmmm... Thank you for sharing those references...
Huckleberry
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It was your question, not mine. :idunno:
Then whether some soldiers believe they're defending a political point it's all the more irrelevant to the question of self defense, innit? Maybe you shouldn't have offered that as an argument.
I'm starting to catch on to how when you can't answer a point, you throw out some moral challenge that hasn't anything to do with anything.
Why, in particular? I would think you'd be more than willing to explain why their opinion matters so much to you, other than their agreeing with you.
That was part of it, yes. Just as Jesus clearly suggested. He also made the very point I made. It's you trying to twist that into some other meaning, not me. Besides, you're the one who brought it up, back in post #27, so why are you telling me to drop it?
I think scripture speaks for itself. Considering I'm in agreement with the vast majority of those who've studied that scripture and your interpretation is in distinct minority, then it seems to me that it behooves you to prove that Jesus was telling them to sell their clothes to buy knives to scale fish with, or whatever. Most people are able to recognize that's ridiculous. Why would scripture spend so much emphasis on that? :AMR:
Huckleberry
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Feel free to explain all the Christians murdered in the last...ever. I'd say there's something you're missing somewhere. :think: