Prostitution

[glassjester]

I have never been able to relate to an analogy that compares something as harmful and deadly as prostitution with a game that is thought provoking and healthy.

In both examples, no matter how contrasting the activities described, the buyer-seller relationship was clear.

That's it. Don't read more into it.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

In both examples, no matter how contrasting the activities described, the buyer-seller relationship was clear.

That's it. Don't read more into it.

Many who call themselves "Christian" are removed from the real world so badly that they have no idea how asinine such analogies are.

Prostitutes, who often are kidnapped, kept on drugs so that they'll "turn tricks", as well as being physically and mentally abused, are humans beings. They are someone's daughter, someone's sister and often times someone's mother. They are NOT pawns in a chess game.

Work on your analogies, we're dealing with human beings here.

If anyone following this thread haven't seen the movie "Taken", I'd highly recommend that they do.

Taken

 

[Crucible]

Again, tell that to Amsterdam.

Of course legalizing something leads to its increase. That's hardly a point of contention.

That's not some law of the cosmos.

Prostitution is not something most people who do so actually enjoy doing. They trade their self-respect for a need of money.

 

[Rusha]

Adultery is a crime in 21 states. Besides, determining the punishment for a crime is a separate matter from determining whether it is, in fact, a crime.

I don't agree that adultery should be punishable by jail for the simple fact that it would negatively impact the children by putting one of their parents in prison for a non violent crime.

False dichotomy. Let's protect unborn babies, children, elderly, and keep prostitution illegal.

Interestingly enough, you will never be able to legislate adultery or any other type of sex that involves consenting adults. I am more concerned about protecting those listed above rather than obsessing over the sex lives of other consenting adults.

Another false dichotomy. We should lock those guys up, and try to prevent desperate people from resorting to prostitution.

No one wishes to see desperate people resort to prostitution. Feel free to explain how you believe they should be helped outside of being told "your work doesn't pay you enough to live ... get over it".

 

[glassjester]

Many who call themselves "Christian" are removed from the real world so badly that they have no idea how asinine such analogies are.

Prostitutes, who often are kidnapped, kept on drugs so that they'll "turn tricks", as well as being physically and mentally abused, are humans beings. They are someone's daughter, someone's sister and often times someone's mother. They are NOT pawns in a chess game.

Work on your analogies, we're dealing with human beings here.

If anyone following this thread haven't seen the movie "Taken", I'd highly recommend that they do.

Taken

Alright, Brother. Maybe go back and read the original context of the post that you've decided to act so offended by.

You do realize I am against the legalization of prostitution, right?

And I'm hardly "removed" from the real world.

 

[glassjester]

I don't agree that adultery should be punishable by jail for the simple fact that it would negatively impact the children by putting one of their parents in prison for a non violent crime.

Who mentioned jail time? Again, the punishment for the crime is a separate determination than deciding whether something is a crime.

A separate thread, entitled "What should the punishment be for the crime of adultery?" would be wonderful, I'm sure.

Interestingly enough, you will never be able to legislate adultery or any other type of sex that involves consenting adults. I am more concerned about protecting those listed above rather than obsessing over the sex lives of other consenting adults.

Rather? There goes that dichotomy again. Let's stay on topic. Why should prostitution be legalized? "Because we have to catch rapists instead" is a nonsensical answer.

No one wishes to see desperate people resort to prostitution. Feel free to explain how you believe they should be helped outside of being told "your work doesn't pay you enough to live ... get over it".

By the same means that any victims of crime are assisted. Therapy, medical attention, protection by law enforcement. I get the sense that we agree completely on the status of the prostitutes themselves. They are victims. And just as with any other crime, if someone is forced to do it, their culpability is mitigated. But we don't legalize theft due to impoverished thieves, do we?

And still, this is an entirely separate issue, isn't it?

Rusha, why should prostitution be legalized?

 

[Crucible]

Adultery should be illegal, because it is the most binding terms for divorce and divorce hurts families.

That's why with so many states, it is still illegal.
However, not too many people, if any, are actually going to jail for it. What it typically ends up as is a fine to the state and a custody loss- but that doesn't matter because only 16% of men get custody in a divorce anymore. Because 'equality'.

 

[glassjester]

That's not some law of the cosmos.

Feel free to provide a counter-example.

Prostitution is not something most people who do so actually enjoy doing. They trade their self-respect for a need of money.

So how does it benefit society for the government to endorse it (prostitution)?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Alright, Brother. Maybe go back and read the original context of the post that you've decided to act so offended by.

You do realize I am against the legalization of prostitution, right?

And I'm hardly "removed" from the real world.

Anyone that uses an analogy comparing this

with this:

needs to have his head examined.

You never did mention if you've seen the movie "Taken". While it is action packed and shows a father tracking down his kidnapped daughter (and getting revenge against the pimps that kidnapped her), it also shows the realistic side of the seedy prostitution underworld.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I don't agree that adultery should be punishable by jail for the simple fact that it would negatively impact the children by putting one of their parents in prison for a non violent crime.

Interestingly enough, you will never be able to legislate adultery or any other type of sex that involves consenting adults. I am more concerned about protecting those listed above rather than obsessing over the sex lives of other consenting adults.

Once again Sandy's consensual morality is exposed.

Can I use your words the next time you belittle a politician for having an adulterous/extramarital affair Sandy?

Prostitution is adultery. It doesn't matter if the hooker and john are single, they're both committing out of wedlock sexual acts that are immoral.

 

[glassjester]

You never did mention if you've seen the movie "Taken". While it is action packed and shows a father tracking down his kidnapped daughter (and getting revenge against the pimps that kidnapped her), it also shows the realistic side of the seedy prostitution underworld.

I've seen it.
Again, you don't need to convince me to agree with you. We already agree. I am very much against prostitution and its legalization.

Why not focus more on providing evidence (statistical or otherwise) of the harm that legal prostitution causes? That seems to be what the pro-prostitution people are unaware of.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
You never did mention if you've seen the movie "Taken". While it is action packed and shows a father tracking down his kidnapped daughter (and getting revenge against the pimps that kidnapped her), it also shows the realistic side of the seedy prostitution underworld

I've seen it.
Again, you don't need to convince me to agree with you. We already agree. I am very much against prostitution and its legalization.

I have my doubts.

Why not focus more on providing evidence (statistical or otherwise) of the harm that legal prostitution causes? That seems to be what the pro-prostitution people are unaware of.

Statistics don't influence the ignorant, showing the realities of prostitution very well might. If it doesn't, then they're part of the problem not the solution.

 

[glassjester]

I have my doubts.

Lay off, will you? Just give it a rest. This thread isn't about me, and whatever ulterior motives you suspect I have. It's about whether or not prostitution should be legal.

Get on topic. And start backing up your opinion with facts.

Statistics don't influence the ignorant, showing the realities of prostitution very well might. If it doesn't, then they're part of the problem not the solution.

Remember when I said statistical or otherwise? So explain some of the negative societal repercussions of legalized prostitution.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I have my doubts.

Lay off, will you? Just give it a rest. This thread isn't about me, and whatever ulterior motives you suspect I have. It's about whether or not prostitution should be legal.

Again: I have my suspicions about the thread's author. If he has nothing to hide, then he shouldn't be worried.

Get on topic. And start backing up your opinion with facts.

Pay attention to your own thread: little to none of my posts deal with my "opinions", they deal with the facts about sexual immorality as a whole and specifically prostitution.



Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Statistics don't influence the ignorant, showing the realities of prostitution very well might. If it doesn't, then they're part of the problem not the solution.

Remember when I said statistical or otherwise? So explain some of the negative societal repercussions of legalized prostitution.

You really need to start paying attention to your own thread. Societal repercussions:

The cheapening of what God designed for human sexuality.
The breakdown of the nucleus of society: the traditional family
Disease
Drug Addiction
Pornography
crime (theft, assault, etc.)

Are you getting the picture now?

 

[glassjester]

The cheapening of what God designed for human sexuality.

I agree with you. But our government doesn't care about this. Would that argument hold up in the Supreme Court? Because this question will end up there within the next decade.

The breakdown of the nucleus of society: the traditional family

I agree. Our government doesn't care at all, though. Our government seems to want the traditional family to break down. It's been under attack for decades.

Disease

That's a good reason not to legalize prostitution. Has sexually transmitted disease increased following the legalization of prostitution in places such as Nevada and Amsterdam?

Drug Addiction

Has legalized prostitution contributed to this? Where? When?

Pornography

I'm not sure I follow. Pornography is not illegal, so why would its increased occurrence be of concern to our government?

crime (theft, assault, etc.)

Another good reason not to legalize prostitution. Crimes increased dramatically in and around the "legal" brothels in Amsterdam. So much so, that nearly half of them had to be shut down by the government that allowed them to exist in the first place.

 

[Phogg]

Once again Sandy's consensual morality is exposed.

Can I use your words the next time you belittle a politician for having an adulterous/extramarital affair Sandy?

Prostitution is adultery. It doesn't matter if the hooker and john are single, they're both committing out of wedlock sexual acts that are immoral.

If both were single, it would be fornication.
Actually, it's fornication either way, but one of the people would have to be married for it to be adultery.

Your point stands that both are committing acts that are immoral.
However, it is not irrelevant that one of the parties may not be a voluntary participant.

Also, once in prostitution it is difficult to get out.
The Bible lifts Rahab the harlot up as an example of righteousness. Boaz, her son is also extolled.
One assumes that she was eventually able to break free of prostitution, hence the regard for Boaz. Yet if God had instantaneously broken the pattern, wouldn't she be referred to without the term "harlot" like Tamar and Gomer?

Incarceration, probation, and parole presents an opportunity (however unwilling) to break the pattern.
It has contributed to the rehabilitation of a lot of people.
It is disingenuous to ignore that factor.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Once again Sandy's consensual morality is exposed.

Can I use your words the next time you belittle a politician for having an adulterous/extramarital affair Sandy?

Prostitution is adultery. It doesn't matter if the hooker and john are single, they're both committing out of wedlock sexual acts that are immoral.

If both were single, it would be fornication.
Actually, it's fornication either way, but one of the people would have to be married for it to be adultery.

I was looking at the big picture. God was covering all sexual sins when He handed down Commandment #7 to Moses.

Your point stands that both are committing acts that are immoral.

Yes, no matter what their marital status is.

However, it is not irrelevant that one of the parties may not be a voluntary participant.

I showed the realities of prostitution and paid the price for doing so. I'll leave it at that.

Also, once in prostitution it is difficult to get out.

So true. Prostitutes are physically and emotionally abused and fear for their life if they should attempt to escape and seek help.

Incarceration, probation, and parole presents an opportunity (however unwilling) to break the pattern.
It has contributed to the rehabilitation of a lot of people.
It is disingenuous to ignore that factor...

Thank you for acknowledging that it is the role of civil government to do good and that people are helped when righteous laws are legislated.

 

[Greg Jennings]

I think it should probably be legal, but I'm open to any non-religious reasons as to why it shouldn't be

 

[ok doser]

limiting the spread of disease used to be an obvious one


of course that was before rampant sexual behavior became socially acceptable

 

[Greg Jennings]

limiting the spread of disease used to be an obvious one


of course that was before rampant sexual behavior became socially acceptable

If there was regulated prostitution, then one might be required to be "clean" if he or she wanted their license to thrill