Pro-life and Democrat

[Rusha]

Contraceptives do not "cause abortions ". They PREVENT them. Do smoke alarms cause fires ? Of course not .

While we disagree on abortion, I agree with you on contraceptives as well as social programs that are in place to help these moms and their unborn babies. Personally, the fact that contraception helps to prevent unplanned pregnancies is a no brainer.

 

[quip]

no, I was looking for "significant differences between killing a child in utero and killing a newborn"

if you say the mother is the crux of the issue, you can't deny the mother the choice to kill her newborn

Sure I can. The circumstances concerning abortion don't apply (obviously..or at least should be) to post-birth i.e. newborn children.

It shouldn't be difficult for you to fathom once you remove your knee-jerk emotions from the equation.

 

[ok doser]

The circumstances concerning abortion don't apply (obviously..or at least should be) to post-birth i.e. newborn children.

i'm not asking you about abortion quip

i'm asking you to list the "significant differences between killing a child in utero and killing a newborn"

 

[ok doser]

looks like we'll have to wait for an answer :idunno:

 

[lifeisgood]

I hate to give you a 9th grade biology lessen, but without the mother, the unborn baby wouldn't develop nor survive.

I guess this one does not agree with your 9th grade biology lesson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Qo2VcEO8Y

 

[lifeisgood]

Ones called abortion....the other murder. (In utero, ex utero...respectively)

Really? What's the difference?

in utero (abortion), ex utero (murder) = same to me.

The difference?
in utero = woman not considered responsible
ex utero = woman considered responsible

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I guess this one does not agree with your 9th grade biology lesson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Qo2VcEO8Y

Isn't life precious? All the more reason you should be fighting the Libertarian/Democrat mindset of "It's MY body and I can do with it as I darn well please!".

(BTW, while your video was touching, it still didn't address my point that without the mother, the baby would have never existed).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH9ZJu4wRUE

 

[aCultureWarrior]

So, you are arguing for "dependency?" So, you are arguing that we have the moral right to kill someone based on his or her degree of dependency on another person? A 2 year old "little one"is more dependent than a teenager. Do we/you have the right to kill the little one,but not the teenager?

Can a mother kill her newborn son, daughter, because he depends on her body for nutrition? Or, imagine you alone witnessed a 2 year old fall into a swimming pool. Would you be justified in declaring, arguing him/her not valuable,because he/she depended on you for his survival?

Your argument is not with me John, it's with Libertarians (this place is overrun with them) that believe the selfish concept of not sacrificing their values for the benefit of others.

As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others...
https://www.lp.org/platform/

Now if any supposed pro life Libertarians want to step forward (this place is overrun with them) and explain how one can embrace the selfish concept of Libertarianism and yet be anti-abortion at the same time, I look forward to the debate.

 

[Right Divider]

Your argument is not with me John, it's with Libertarians (this place is overrun with them) that believe the selfish concept of not sacrificing their values for the benefit of others.

LIAR.

As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others...
https://www.lp.org/platform/

Read what it ACTUALLY says!

Now if any supposed pro life Libertarians want to step forward (this place is overrun with them) and explain how one can embrace the selfish concept of Libertarianism and yet be anti-abortion at the same time, I look forward to the debate.

Just keep lying. It's shows your true colors.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others...

Read what it ACTUALLY says!

Government laws that prohibit things like abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography and recreational drug use, are backed by "force" which Libertarians believe "sacrifices their values for the benefit of others" ("others" being God, unborn children, family members and the community and nation at large that are hurt by immoral ideology and actions).

 

[Right Divider]

Quote: Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others...

NOT FORCED

Government laws that prohibit things like abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography and recreational drug use, are backed by "force" which Libertarians believe "sacrifices their values for the benefit of others" ("others" being God, unborn children, family members and the community and nation at large that are hurt by immoral ideology and actions).

You are confusing LIBERTINISM with Libertarianism.

 

[ok doser]

he gets confused a lot

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote: Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Government laws that prohibit things like abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography and recreational drug use, are backed by "force" which Libertarians believe "sacrifices their values for the benefit of others" ("others" being God, unborn children, family members and the community and nation at large that are hurt by immoral ideology and actions).

NOT FORCED
You are confusing LIBERTINISM with Libertarianism.

First let me thank you for coming forward and attempting to defend Libertarianism (I capitalize the L because the political party is a direct reflection of libertarian philosophy).

Libertines are those who engage in the above behaviors, but without Libertarians making laws that make it legal for those Libertines to engage in those immoral behaviors, these lost souls would be in jail for committing murder of the unborn, same sex sodomy, paying for sex and using deadly recreational drugs.

 

[Right Divider]

Quote: Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Government laws that prohibit things like abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography and recreational drug use, are backed by "force" which Libertarians believe "sacrifices their values for the benefit of others" ("others" being God, unborn children, family members and the community and nation at large that are hurt by immoral ideology and actions).

First let me thank you for coming forward and attempting to defend Libertarianism (I capitalize the L because the political party is a direct reflection of libertarian philosophy).

Libertines are those who engage in the above behaviors, but without Libertarians making laws that make it legal for those Libertines to engage in those immoral behaviors, these lost souls would be in jail for committing murder of the unborn, same sex sodomy, paying for sex and using deadly recreational drugs.

The basis of true libertarianism is the idea of non-aggression. That does not mean that we believe in "do whatever you want".

I really don't know that much about the Libertarian party.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

The basis of true libertarianism is the idea of non-aggression. That does not mean that we believe in "do whatever you want".

In a Libertarian's small world you can't rob a person of his wallet because that's "aggression" (never mind that God says that it's immoral to steal). They can engage in things like same sex buggery, prostitution and recreational drug use because in their mind there is no "aggression" involved in those immoral behaviors.

I really don't know that much about the Libertarian party.

That filthy degenerate Ron Paul ran for President twice on the LP ticket.

 

[ok doser]

That filthy degenerate Ron Paul....

 

[Right Divider]

In a Libertarian's small world you can't rob a person of his wallet because that's "aggression" (never mind that God says that it's immoral to steal). They can engage in things like same sex buggery, prostitution and recreational drug use because in their mind there is no "aggression" involved in those immoral behaviors.

Everyone, including the libertarian, should use Biblical values as their guide in life. You can try to make everything that is immoral illegal. But you will try in vain to enforce that. Then you get SWAT teams kicking down the wrong door in an effort to get the "bad guys" and their "drugs".

That filthy degenerate Ron Paul ran for President twice on the LP ticket.

Please describe why Ron Paul is a "filthy degenerate".

Perhaps you are the perfect one that should be dictator of the world.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Here are several good reasons why one can't be a follower of Christ and a Libertarian:

How Libertarianism and Christianity intersect
http://www.faithfacts.org/blog/libertarianism-christianity

I could add a few more points (like Jesus's 2 greatest commandments), but the writers of the above article did an excellent job of explaining Libertarianism.

Regarding abortion: Note that no one has said that it's wrong to murder based on Judeo-Christian doctrine (thou shalt not murder), but only on the "aggression" aspect of it.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Everyone, including the libertarian, should use Biblical values as their guide in life.

There's a direct contradiction in Libertarianism and having Biblical values, see my above link.

You can try to make everything that is immoral illegal. But you will try in vain to enforce that. Then you get SWAT teams kicking down the wrong door in an effort to get the "bad guys" and their "drugs".

Yet you want to make abortion illegal. Explain your position. If you go with God's Word, you can't use the "aggression" argument, nor can you defend homosexuality, pornography, prostitution and recreational drug use because His Word goes against those things.

 

[Right Divider]

There's a direct contradiction in Libertarianism and having Biblical values, see my above link.

Once again. I don't know or care what a political party believes.

Yet you want to make abortion illegal. Explain your position.

Abortion is the ultimate form of AGGRESSION against an innocent PERSON.

If you go with God's Word, you can't use the "aggression" argument, nor can you defend homosexuality, pornography, prostitution and recreational drug use because His Word goes against those things.

Thou shalt not murder is a non-aggression law from God.

You are none too bright, but you are quite the zealot.