ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
my working definition of "deserved" is "earned by his actions"
by his actions, as described in the OP, he earned a response
he got it :idunno:
Prison guards cook prisoner to death
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my working definition of "deserved" is "earned by his actions"
by his actions, as described in the OP, he earned a response
he got it :idunno:
WizardofOz
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Being mentally ill and spreading feces in his cell, that was his action. He earned being cooked alive by this action?
Perhaps this action earned a response but being cooked alive was not a response that he earned or deserved.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
but we can't choose the responses that come from our poor choices, can we?
i could choose to drink a quart of jack Daniels and drive 140 mph on my way home tonight
chances are good that by choosing to sow recklessness i will reap consequences - they may be a loss of license, a loss of my intact car, a loss of physical integrity, a loss of life (mine or others) or any of a myriad of others
but whatever those consequences are, i will have earned them by my actions
WizardofOz
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Rainey didn't earn being cooked to death by his actions. It's that simple.
Arthur Brain
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You'd think, but when the clowns are out...
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
he earned a response
it was a harsh response :idunno:
life's harsh when you're stupid
1PeaceMaker
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It would be more proper to say that his actions resulted in an unjust response from the prison guards. They may have been reacting, but it worse than an overreaction.
Do you think those prison guards now deserve to be cooked to death in a shower over the course of 2 hours?
WizardofOz
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You label cooking a mentally ill man to death for doing something only mentally ill people do as simply "a harsh response"?
How about immoral or criminal? How about a capital offense? Your argument logically leads any person in jail or prison as having earned being cooked to death.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
i think they deserve a response, and can't expect to control the severity of it or the "justness" of it
if they are tried, convicted, sentenced and imprisoned, they will be, to a large degree, at the mercy of those they have abused in the past
and whatever consequences flow from that, they will have earned them by their actions
WizardofOz
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That's what society and the justice system is for. We collectively control the severity of the punishment.
That's it right there. They have earned a prison sentence. That is what Rainey earned. He didn't earn being cooked alive in a boiling shower.
If I am hired to work for $20.00/an hour and work for 8 hours, what have I earned?
"Earn" is defined by an equitable return. You seem to think any extreme positive or negative outcome can be earned by one's action.
elohiym
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So if they get cooked to death, would you say they deserved it?
1PeaceMaker
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Excellent response. Pretty much sums up my thinking, as well. :up:
Arthur Brain
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Heck, he'd probably be there cheering them on...
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
using the definition "to earn by one's actions", yes
note that this definition says nothing about appropriateness or justness
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ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
yes, that's the ideal
but we operate with flawed systems
but you recognize that that experience will be different for different people, based on their behaviors while incarcerated
he earned a response by his behavior in prison - the smearing feces, "creating chaos", etc
the response he earned was to be cooked, apparently :idunno:
160 bucks. right?
minus a whole buncha deductions
and plus a whole buncha stuff:
sore back
tired muscles
eyestrain
raised blood pressure
etc
and if that job frustrates you to the point that you have a heart attack or a stroke?
guess what?
you earned it
from merriam webster:
| Origin of earn Middle English ernen, from Old English earnian; akin to Old High German arnōn to reap, Czech jeseň autumn |
sow the wind, reap the whirlwind :idunno:
with this caveat - only if the action is undertaken with the understanding that it runs the risk of generating an unpredictable response - like my example of speeding while drunk
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You earn an "A+" for Nitpicking! Nitpickers cannot see the forest for the trees! The big picture eludes them. They cannot function adequately in a managerial position so they specialize in taking pot shots at those who do qualify for managerial positions.
In short, a worm only sees dirt....
If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. You dish out immense dollops of slime but can't take the return missives.