The true Gospel is that Jesus has reconciled the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19, so that now..."Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
Predestinated to Salvation !
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The true Gospel is that Jesus has reconciled the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19, so that now..."Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
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Nanja
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Nope! I see you're still preaching a false works gospel!
A spiritually dead person, carnal, in the flesh, doesn't have the ability to call upon the name of the Lord and please God Rom. 8:8,
First a person must be quickened, made alive together with Christ experimentally by New Birth then he shall call upon His name Ps. 80:18.
It's evidence of their Election in Christ Eph. 1:4-5 and that He died for that one Col. 2:13.
But none of the non-elect can call up the Lord. For all the works of the wicked unsaved are as filthy rags.
Is. 64:6-7
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
7 And there is none that calleth upon thy name, that stirreth up himself to take hold of thee: for thou hast hid thy face from us, and hast consumed us, because of our iniquities.
Eph. 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
T.U.L.I.P. is The Gospel of God's Grace:
Total Depravity
Uncoditional Election
Limited Atonement
Irresistible Grace
Preservation of the Saints
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beloved57
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Absolutely True ! He as well as many many others here preach a gospel of salvation by works, by what a person does. If its the sinners act of believing, calling on the lord, repentance or whatsoever, if its done by the sinner to result in getting saved, its salvation by works. As you know I have shown the greek definition of the word work ergon for years. It means:
work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
érgon (from ergō, "to work, accomplish") – a work or worker who accomplishes something. 2041 /érgon ("work") is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intension, purpose).
any product whatever, anything accomplished by hand, art, industry, mind
http://biblehub.com/greek/2041.htm
Now lets look at the english definition of the word work
Absolutely True ! He as well as many many others here preach a gospel of salvation by works, by what a person does. If its the sinners act of believing, calling on the lord, repentance or whatsoever, if its done by the sinner to result in getting saved, its salvation by works. As you know I have shown the greek definition of the word work ergon for years. It means:
work, task, employment; a deed, action; that which is wrought or made, a work.
érgon (from ergō, "to work, accomplish") – a work or worker who accomplishes something. 2041 /érgon ("work") is a deed (action) that carries out (completes) an inner desire (intension, purpose).
any product whatever, anything accomplished by hand, art, industry, mind
http://biblehub.com/greek/2041.htm
Now lets look at the english definition of the word work
- activity in which one exerts strength or faculties to do or perform something:
faculties such as :
an ability, natural or acquired, for a particular kind of action:
one of the powers of the mind, as memory, reason, or speech:
an inherent capability of the body
work may imply activity of body, of mind, of a machine, or of a natural force
The mind:
- the element or complex of elements in an individual that feels, perceives, thinks, wills, and especially reasons
- http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/work
Nanja
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Yes! They're just works of the flesh, of a carnal mind, that can't please God Rom. 8:7-8, therefore have no effect on becoming saved whatsoever.
First God gives His Spirit to a Child of His Eph. 1:4-5 in New Birth, then are they able to Believe / have Faith in Him [a fruit and effect of the Spirit Gal. 5:22]; or perform any other action that pleases God. They can't even understand spiritual things until they have been made Spiritual 1 Cor. 2:14. "Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Rom. 8:9
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Nanja
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All Glory to the Father
All Glory to the Son
All Glory to the Spirit
The Three in One!
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SimpleMan77
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The problem with predestination is that it requires discarding 99% of very plain scripture concerning consequences of our choices.
Those adherent to that doctrine take a minuscule amount of scriptures that they think they understand, and clearly twist and disregard huge portions of the Bible to make it fit their "revelation".
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Those adherent to that doctrine take a minuscule amount of scriptures that they think they understand, and clearly twist and disregard huge portions of the Bible to make it fit their "revelation".
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themuzicman
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The problem isn't the terms, but rather then context:
Notice that we are predestined to be conformed to the image of his son. That's post-salvation sanctification.
As for the rest of the terms, these verbs are all what Greek scholars call "aorist", which means that Paul is saying that these things happen, but not necessarily when, or even in a particular order. Paul is just saying that these things all happen to the believer.
If you need more evidence, I think we all agree that we are not yet glorified, and yet that hasn't happened as of this writing.
themuzicman
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The fact is that only 4 things are predestined:
Adoption and inheritance (Eph 1)
Being conformed to the image of the son (Rom 8)
Christ's death (Acts 2)
Nowhere in Scripture is anything else predestined.
Adoption and inheritance (Eph 1)
Being conformed to the image of the son (Rom 8)
Christ's death (Acts 2)
Nowhere in Scripture is anything else predestined.
beloved57
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Antichrist religion denies the Gospel Truth of Predestination, even though its taught in scripture . Scripture truth #1 Tells us the Gospel Truth that Believers had been predestinated to the Image of Christ Rom 829
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
beloved57
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Now understand something, whatever makes up the Image of Christ, being conformed unto His Image, that every predestined one, it will be given to them in time, every Spiritual Blessing Eh 1:3.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
beloved57
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Predestined to the Adoption of Children
Another Gospel Truth, this predestination is linked with having been Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4-5
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
So this being the case they are given everything essential, necessary, indispensable and Spiritually fundamental for this Adoption to manifest itself in time!
And unbelievers say this has nothing to do with Salvation, what ignorance !
Another Gospel Truth, this predestination is linked with having been Chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4-5
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
So this being the case they are given everything essential, necessary, indispensable and Spiritually fundamental for this Adoption to manifest itself in time!
And unbelievers say this has nothing to do with Salvation, what ignorance !
Nanja
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Ignorance indeed! Unless a person has been predestinated to salvation, they shall never attain it!
Every soul Chosen of God in Union with Christ and Predestined to the Adoption of Children are Blessed with all spiritual blessings in Christ Eph. 1:3. So then, in time they shall be given New Birth as evidence of their Adoption, and experience the Covenant Blessing of the Spirit coming into their heart Ezek. 36:27, or the Spirit of Adoption:
Gal. 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
It's because they were predestined to the Adoption of Sons according to God's Will before the foundation Eph. 1:5 that they, the Seed of Christ Eph. 1:4, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham Gal. 3:16, 29 receive the Blessing of Abraham.
Gal. 3:14
That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
Rom. 8:15-17
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
beloved57
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Many people will agree with the statement that believers have been predestinated to be conformed to the image of Christ, however they do it ignorantly, cause what they fail to realize is that the predestination of them occurred before they became believers, and is why they do become Believers. Rom 8:29-30
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Please note in Vs 30 how that being predestinated comes before being called ! They don't become believers until after they are called. 2 Thess 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
So with a spiritual logic guided by truth, they were predestinated to the Image of Christ before they became believers and consequently as when unbelievers !
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Please note in Vs 30 how that being predestinated comes before being called ! They don't become believers until after they are called. 2 Thess 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
So with a spiritual logic guided by truth, they were predestinated to the Image of Christ before they became believers and consequently as when unbelievers !
Nanja
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So True! Those which were predestinated to be conformed to the image of God's Son, are the same ones which were reconciled to God, made Righteous / Justified: discharged from all iniquity according to God's Law and Justice in their Surety's Blood Work on their behalf Rev. 13:8; Is. 53:6; Rom. 5:9, therefore they shall be Saved by His Life
Rom. 5:10
For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Christ's Life is His Spirit given in New Birth to them whom He was Surety for in the Everlasting Covenant of Grace Heb. 7:22; 13:20.
1 Cor. 15:45
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Gal. 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.