beloved57
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Yeah right
Predestinated to Salvation !
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themuzicman
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Nice to see you agree with me.
Nanja
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Amen! Yes, even while we were by nature children of wrath as others, we were already reconciled to God Rom. 5:10 and sanctified by the Blood of Christ to be God's Sons, because we were chosen In Union with Christ Eph. 1:4, our Covenant Head and Surety from Everlasting Heb. 7:22, 10:10 to be holy and without blame before Him in Love; to have remission of sins Eph. 1:7. Thus we were Saints in God's sight before we were ever born in time and before we are born again Rom. 4:7-8!
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beloved57
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Agreed !
The term, "Predestinated to salvation" does not appear anywhere in the Bible. You made that up.
Romans 8: 29 For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30 And those He predestined He also called, those He called He also justified, those He justified He also glorified.…
There is nothing in those scriptures about anyone being predestinated to salvation.
Predestinated to be conformed. And those he predestinated to be conformed he also called.
Nothing about anyone being predestinated to salvation.
Nanja
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Yes, the predestined ones whom God has Justified and Glorified, truly entails all of what Salvation is!
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beloved57
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You are blind to truth right there in front of your eyes !
beloved57
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Yes !
It says that right in what i quoted to you. What do you think that this means - 30 And those He predestined He also called, those He called He also justified, those He justified He also glorified.…
Please also define the underlined terms.
You were predestinated to stub your toe - :idunno:
Correct interpretatiom of Romans 8:29,30.
God predestinated Jesus to be the savior of the world. It was God's plan that those who believed on his Son Jesus Christ would be indwelt with the Holy Spirit and be conformed to the image of his Son. All who believed in God's Son were predestinated to be saved. They were called by the Holy Spirit and they were justified and will be glorified.
You just contradicted yourself, you admit, it says we are predestined to salvation, after claiming scripture says no such thing, when it does, as i showed you.
We are predestined, based on His foreknowledge.
1 Peter 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
God foreknew that Jesus was going to be the savior of the world before the foundation of the world, Revelation 13:8.
God does NOTHING outside of his Son Jesus Christ when it comes to the salvation of fallen man, Colossians 1:16-18.
Nor is God a respecter of any ones person, Acts 10:34. All that God does he does corporately. Jesus is the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. We enter into salvation by faith in Christ and his Gospel.
beloved57
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You deny Predestination to Salvation, for Eph 1:5 reveals it. Some men have predestinated to the adoption of Sons by Jesus Christ. Adoption is a Salvation Blessing which ensures the first fruit of the Spirit and the redemption of the Body Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Nanja
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Yep, Pate denies the True Gospel all the time because it's hid from him.
But we know that Predestination to Salvation is a scriptural fact Eph. 1:5, that applies only to a portion of humanity which were chosen in Christ, given Him of the Father John 6:37, who in time shall receive the Adoption of Sons by the Spirit coming into them Rom. 8:15-16 which bears evidence that they truly are the Beloved Sons of God!
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
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beloved57
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Amen Sister, that was good!
Nanja
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God knows who is who even before the creation. However, it's meaningless for God alone to know who is who then brings them to Heaven directly. Earth in a sense is for God to demonstrate openly (to the angels and chosen saints as our witnesses) that those He foreknew are actually the righteous by the open standard as specified in a covenant. For this demonstration to occur in our short life time, thus predestination is needed to destine us to a path for us to make our choices correctly.
Thus predestination by no means says that God dictates our choices to force us to our salvation as Calvinists tried to put it.
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