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Unbelieveable!!
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To YOU the Bible is silent about that.
Such was NOT the case to Israel's Prophets - throughout their history; when all looked over and done with for their nation - the following was their "source" - in the face of seeming external "evidence."
Isaiah 8:16 Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. 8:17 And I will wait upon the LORD, that hideth his face from the house of Jacob, and I will look for him. 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion. 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead? 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
The answers are in faith in the Law and the Prophets - not in external sources nor in their supposed "evidence."
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. 11:2 For by it the elders obtained a good report. 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
When the Lord described external, physical signs they could look to, He did so because Israel are a sign people.
Signs the Law and the Prophets were the interpretation of - not the notions of external writers, nor of one's own ideas.
Take the following for example...
Deuteronomy 28:23 And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron. 28:24 The LORD shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
When such were their weather conditions, they could and were to turn to the Law and the Prophets as to why such was the case; that they might get right with God - in accordance with specific instructions in the Law and the Prophets as to that.
That was what this was about, for example...
Malachi 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. 3:11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.
Those so called several hundred years of silence in between Malachi and Matthew - nonsense - to the Law and the Prophets for one's answers.
But your over reliance on sources external to the Scripture has rendered your portion of each our God given ability in Adam to reason out these things through Scriptures, unable to.
Luke 7:30 But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.
Luke 7:35 But wisdom is justified of all her children.
iamaberean
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Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
False prophet if God had not commanded.
Deu 18:21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?
Deu 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
False prophet speaks of things that did not come to pass.
Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Jesus said the temple would be destroyed and the disciples knew that would happen at the last day.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
I don't have to see scripture to tell me that the temple was destroyed and know for certain that Jesus is not a false prophet.
Joh 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
Joh 3:12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
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The operative word being, "IF".
iamaberean
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That is correct, if God did not command it to be, then they are not the prophets of God.
One that does not believe a prophet of God, then they are a false witness. Many of these are not Christians!
One that does not believe a prophet of God, then they are a false witness. Many of these are not Christians!
iamaberean
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Joh 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
iamaberean
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Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Are you robbing God? Here is a must read:
https://closingstages.net/2016/04/03/sunday-sound-bites-tithing/
Are you robbing God? Here is a must read:
https://closingstages.net/2016/04/03/sunday-sound-bites-tithing/
iamaberean
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Things I think about.
Is tithing a salvation issue?
Is prophecy a salvation issue?
Should a man become a Pastor if he doesn't have truth about the above?
Are we blind, spiritually, since we don't study God's word?
Are you afraid of being led to a ditch?
whitestone
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Jeremiah wrote, Jeremiah 31:38-40 KJV which is a prophecy. In it he speaks of the towers,the gate of the corner ect. and then the brook of Kidron https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Gate_(Jerusalem) .
Now as we know they returned from Babylon and built the temple and the city(second temple).
Then the days rolled by and Jesus was born and said Matthew 24:2 KJV and as we know is frequently debated among us.
But look at the two opposing prophecies, Jeremiah says in Jeremiah 31:40 KJV that it will never be thrown down or plucked up any more "forever" and Jesus says that it will be destroyed.
So if the second temple was destroyed and the golden gate used to enter the temple is blocked up and still standing which of the two's prophecies are correct?
Or is it that both are correct and not every stone that Jesus spoke of has been removed one on top of the other and the temple and the city Jeremiah speaks of will come after the one Jesus spoke of is gone?
That last paragraph is much like my view.
whitestone
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lol, yep if they would just stop trying to take every prophecy and force fit it into one age instead of the ages to come Ephesians 2:7 KJV ,,,
iamaberean
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Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
The covenant here is speaking of the new covenant where the temple of God is within us.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jesus gave his life that all our sins could be forgiven. No need for any other sacrifice.
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Jer 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.
The ordinances were departed and there is no more a nation from the seed of Israel, with a physical temple, anymore, forever.
If heaven could be measured it would be as follows.
Jer 31:38 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the city shall be built to the LORD from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.
Jer 31:39 And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath.
Jer 31:40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto the LORD; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever.
God destroyed the temple and it will never be built again and since it will not ever be built again, it can not be torn down again.
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iamaberean
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Act 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Act 17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
70AD was the beginning of "the age to come".
Is there not exceeding riches and kindness toward us in the age we currently live in?
Paul made it clear that the age he was living in was coming to an end:
(1 Cor 10:11) These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.
So did the writer of Hebrews:
(Heb 9:26) Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.