pacifism for true Jesus' followers.

[Grosnick Marowbe]

These do not save:

Religion
Water baptism
Good works/deeds
Church attendance
So called obedience to the Law
Trying to live a good life

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

God wants our faith. God's Grace is given to those who place their entire faith in His Son. This occurs after one has heard the Gospel of their salvation. After one places their faith these things occur:

You are sealed and indwelt by the Holy Spirit
you receive the righteousness of Christ
You are baptized (not by water) into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit
You are guaranteed eternal life
You will not be judged by your works
You will receive rewards in Heaven when you stand before Christ

 

[Crucible]

'Pacifism' goes as far as 'turning the other cheek'. In the correct context, it means to not seek revenge or penalty for small things, or otherwise matters which only affect one's self.

But people have turned it into something very different in today's world. They have made it into 'timidity' and 'indifference', which are ironically grave sins.

God often called His people to fight- He uses His people to repel evil according to His providence. We're called to be integral and righteous, and sometimes that includes taking up arms.

'Pacifists' essentially believe in a whole other god. One should be careful not to be sucked into that heresy.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

If you reject God's free gift of His Grace:

You will stand before God and be judged by your works
You will be cast into the Lake of Fire for eternal torment

No one will end up in the Lake of Fire because of their sins. However, if one rejects God's Grace it will be inevitable. Christ paid the price for the sins of ALL humanity. However, only those who place all their faith in Christ as their Savior will reap the benefits.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

'Pacifism' goes as far as 'turning the other cheek'. In the correct context, it means to not seek revenge or penalty for small things, or otherwise matters which only affect one's self.

But people have turned it into something very different in today's world. They have made it into 'timidity' and 'indifference', which are ironically grave sins.

God often called His people to fight- He uses His people to repel evil according to His providence. We're called to be integral and righteous, and sometimes that includes taking up arms.

'Pacifists' essentially believe in a whole other god. One should be careful not to be sucked into that heresy.

There is truth in this post.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Meshak is extremely annoying however it behooves us "True Believers" to pray for her eyes to be opened to God's Grace. She has heard the Gospel preached here and perhaps other places and thus far has rejected it. There is still hope for her, though. If she leaves this world without God's Grace she will certainly be judged and sentenced.

 

[meshak]

'Pacifism' goes as far as 'turning the other cheek'. In the correct context, it means to not seek revenge or penalty for small things, or otherwise matters which only affect one's self.

But people have turned it into something very different in today's world. They have made it into 'timidity' and 'indifference', which are ironically grave sins.

God often called His people to fight- He uses His people to repel evil according to His providence. We're called to be integral and righteous, and sometimes that includes taking up arms.

'Pacifists' essentially believe in a whole other god. One should be careful not to be sucked into that heresy.

You are completely dismissing the fact that Jesus and His disciples practiced pacifism.

Your view is not surprising because the Calvin whom you follow were murderer.

 

[Crucible]

Meshak is extremely annoying however it behooves us "True Believers" to pray for her eyes to be opened to God's Grace. She has heard the Gospel preached here and perhaps other places and thus far has rejected it. There is still hope for her, though. If she leaves this world without God's Grace she will certainly be judged and sentenced.

Meshak seems like a very passive person at heart, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but at the same time it makes such people far more prone of being suckered into the idea of acute pacifism.

It's one of several elements that are hurting Christianity as of late, especially with the attacks the Muslims have suffered on our societies.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Meshak seems like a very passive person at heart, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but at the same time it makes such people far more prone of being suckered into the idea of acute pacifism.

It's one of several elements that are hurting Christianity as of late, especially with the attacks the Muslims have suffered on our societies.

True

 

[meshak]

It's one of several elements that are hurting Christianity as of late, especially with the attacks the Muslims have suffered on our societies.

Pro-military Christians are disgracing and misrepresenting Jesus to the world with their violent faith in His name.

It has been this way since the beginning of RCC, and protestants are following her.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

You are completely dismissing the fact that Jesus and His disciples practiced pacifism.

Your view is not surprising because the Calvin whom you follow were murderer.

You need to read the entire Bible in order to get your facts straight.

 

[Crucible]

Your view is not surprising because the Calvin whom you follow were murderer.

Meh.
Must be a day that ends with a 'y'

The Reformation era was a time of civil unrest. I don't think the 'Pope of Geneva', as he was called, would have been an accomplishment gained from neutrality.

In fact, if we all had followed your pacifism, we'd all be Muslims right now. Or Nazis. Even in so far as your complaint of Calvinism, you'd otherwise be Catholic within a church state.

Either way, it's funny that you believe in something which paradoxically depends on the latter to even exist.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Pro-military Christians are disgracing and misrepresenting Jesus to the world with their violent faith in His name.

The Military has been around for a few thousand years. We need a strong military in the USA. Otherwise, the world will be controlled by Communism. The Israelites had a strong military that was blessed by God Himself.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Meh.
Must be a day that ends with a 'y'

The Reformation era was a time of civil unrest. I don't think the 'Pope of Geneva', as he was called, would have been an accomplishment gained from neutrality.

In fact, if we all had followed your pacifism, we'd all be Muslims right now. Or Nazis. Even in so far as your complaint of Calvinism, you'd otherwise be Catholic within a church state.

Either way, it's funny that you believe in something which, paradoxically, depends on the latter to even exist.

If we hadn't of joined the battle against Hitler, we'd have the "Swastika" flying over our nation. The world would as well.

 

[meshak]

Meh.
Must be a day that ends with a 'y'

The Reformation era was a time of civil unrest. I don't think the 'Pope of Geneva', as he was called, would have been an accomplishment gained from neutrality.

In fact, if we all had followed your pacifism, we'd all be Muslims right now. Or Nazis. Even in so far as your complaint of Calvinism, you'd otherwise be Catholic within a church state.

Either way, it's funny that you believe in something which, paradoxically, depends on the latter to even exist.

the theme of this thread is about Jesus' pacifism teachings and practice which no one can deny.

All you are doing is coming up with all kinds of excuses which is very lame.

 

[Crucible]

Pro-military Christians are disgracing and misrepresenting Jesus to the world with their violent faith in His name.

That may be the case for some of them, but at the same time, it is necessary to have a military employed. It's just that simple- God would never ask for an entire nation to made victims of the wicked.

 

[meshak]

The world will kill each other until the end.

In the meantime, Jesus tells His followers to focus on preaching God's kingdom, not get involved with bloody affair of this world.

His followers are not of the world, says Jesus.

Do you need reference for that? All you need is to read His word.

You people study and argue about your man leaders and their teachings.

so sad.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Hey, Meshak you have decided that you wish to remain ignorant of all things Spiritual. That is your right, however, don't expect others to agree with your ignorant views.

 

[meshak]

That may be the case for some of them, but at the same time, it is necessary to have a military employed. It's just that simple- God would never ask for an entire nation to made victims of the wicked.

another lame excuse.

It does not change the fact Jesus practiced pacifism and tells His follower to do the same.

 

[meshak]

You guys need to focus on Jesus and His teachings or word, instead of your man leaders and their teachings.