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I know.
Who puts His enemies under His feet?
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Jesus receives the Kingdom from His Father.
Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Jesus is a resurrected man.
Luk 24:36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
Luk 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luk 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luk 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Luk 24:40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
Luk 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
Luk 24:42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
Luk 24:43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Your reasoning proves you do not know the Man.
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Jedidiah
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Do you see a distinction between the Father and the Son in Psalm 110:1?
"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
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The one who made everything did it.
Isaiah 44:6 and 8 "I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me . . . Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any." In 44:24 God says,"I, the LORD, am the maker of all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself And spreading out the earth all alone."
Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
The First and the Last did it.
Where do you get that I said it was not given to Jesus by the Father?
You have avoided the scriptures I was speaking.
The scriptures also say JESUS' KINGDOM WILL HAVE NO END, and the scripture also says Jesus will reign UNTIL...that shows us Jesus was God before coming to earth, he was God while on earth, and he is God in heaven now.
Where did I say Jesus was not a resurrected Man?
That is all Satan has left you to defend him with, and that is insults.
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PneumaPsucheSoma
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THIS is utterly glorious!!!!
If only you and others could see the TRUE Multi-Phenomenal Uni-Hypostatic Trinity instead of the nebulous Uni-Phenomenal Multi-Hypostatic Trinity of Orthodoxy.
Jedidiah
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Do you, or do you not, see a distinction between the Father and the Son in Psalm 110:1? Yes, or no.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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#4 is the only catch for me, but it's because of the English term "person/s" and it being presumed as a triplicate quantity, etc.
God is a Multi-Phenomenal singular Hypostasis.
None of the competing historical formulaics are correct, and therefore anathema.
A form of Anti-Social Trinity or a form of Semi-Sabellianism would be closest, but still not quite there.
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PneumaPsucheSoma
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And this is what is utterly ridiculous, especially when TOL is teaming with actual militant non-Trinitarians. I'm a Trinitarian. I just vehemently oppose quantifying God as multiple hypostases according to historical Cappadocian formulaic and subsequent conceptual English dilutions because of the term "person/s".
I used to be vociferously anti-Trinitarian and wouldn't embrace the term at all for myself, but I've since recanted and relabeled because I was affiliating and being affiliated with Unitarians and Semi-/Arians and Semi-/Sabellians.
How could I be banned for being anti-Trinitarian when half of TOL members are truly anti-Trinitarian and posting prolifically to that effect? That would be the height of inequity, yes? Baffling.
I eschew any form of Sabellianism/Semi-Sabellianism;
or any form of Arianism/Semi-Arianism;
or any form of Socinianism/Unitarianism/Ebionism/Adoptionism;
or any form of Binitarianism/Dyadism;
or any formulaic like Pneumatomachianism that resigns the Holy Spirit to being merely an energy or force, or created in any manner;
or any formulaic that includes a created angelic being as the Son (SDA, JW, etc.);
or any form of Tritheism (LDS, etc,);
or any other form like Swedenborgianism;
or any form of Emanationism/Exudationism, Docetism, or Gnosticism;
or any form of Pantheism, PanEntheism, or PanenTheism.
I don't embrace any anathema Christologies of Nestorianism, Apollinarianism, or Eutychianism; but with appropriate consideration of Miaphysitic emphasis in Cyrillianism as potentially as accurate as Dyophysitic Chalcedonianism. And I also don't embrace the post-Constantinople innovation of the Filioque clause of the Latins, also promoted by the vast majority of Protestants.
I affirm:
There is One Deity.
The Father is Deity.
The Holy Spirit is Deity.
The Word (Son) is Deity.
These are One Deity.
The Father is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Holy Spirit is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Word is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Father is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Holy Sprit is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Son is Uncreated and the Only Begotten.
The Father is not the Holy Spirit nor the Son (Word).
The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son (Word).
The Son (Word) is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son proceeded forth and came from the Father, Sent by the Father.
The Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father, Sent by the Father and the Son.
(The Holy Spirit proceedeth NOT from both the Father and the Son [Filioque], though Sent by Both.)
Jesus is the Son of God and is Fully and Authentically Divine, Begotten of the Father by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the son of man and is fully and authentically human with a rational soul, born of the virgin by the Holy Spirit.
The Virgin Birth of Jesus was a Supernatural Procreative Act of God, NOT a Creative Act.
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all distinct, uncreated, eternal, non-modal, non-sequential, concurrent, con-essential, con-substantial, inherently ontological Deity.
The Father is not the Son is not the Father (are not the Holy Spirit).
I don't know how much "more" Trinitarian I could be for someone who doesn't acknowledge God as three hypostases.
Nor could anyone validly accuse me of being ignorant on the topic of Theology Proper.
I can illustrate it explicitly and clearly in a series of teachings live with a whiteboard. It just requires a cumulative understanding of applied lexicography and expression that is too voluminous for the forum venue and format.
I've precisely and intuitively reconciled literally everything. But nobody has the 3D grid to convert their 2D concepts.
1Mind1Spirit
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I'm not a bird, a plane nor even a frog.
I'm just little ol me on my Jesus pill.
Underdog.
I'm just little ol me on my Jesus pill.
Underdog.
| My name's not "ian" lol ;) | |
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My reply in red to PneumaPsucheSoma I affirm:
There is One Deity.
The Father is Deity.
The Holy Spirit is Deity.
The Word (Son) is Deity. John 1:1 The Word was God.
These are One Deity.
The Father is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Holy Spirit is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Word is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Father is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Holy Sprit is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Son is Uncreated and the Only Begotten. The Son is the first born over all creation, then everything was made by him, for him, and through him. Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
The Father is not the Holy Spirit nor the Son (Word).The Father is the Holy Spirit. The Father is the Son. John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son (Word).Already proven with John 14:23.
The Son (Word) is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit. Already proven with John 14:23.
The Son proceeded forth and came from the Father, Sent by the Father.
The Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father, Sent by the Father and the Son.
(The Holy Spirit proceedeth NOT from both the Father and the Son [Filioque], though Sent by Both.)
Jesus is the Son of God and is Fully and Authentically Divine, Begotten of the Father by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the son of man and is fully and authentically human with a rational soul, born of the virgin by the Holy Spirit.
The Virgin Birth of Jesus was a Supernatural Procreative Act of God, NOT a Creative Act.
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all distinct, uncreated, eternal, non-modal, non-sequential, concurrent, con-essential, con-substantial, inherently ontological Deity.
There are no distinctions.
Jesus says and does only what the Father says and does.
The Holy Spirit says only what the Father and Jesus says.
The Holy Spirit is God the Father.
Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is God the Father.
They are NOT distinct and different.
See John 16:13-14; John 5:19; John 8:28; John 12:49; and, John 12:50.
When we see Jesus, we see the Father.
See John 8:19; 14:7, 9; Hebrews 1:3; and, Colossians 1:15.
John 12:45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.
Their works are NOT different.
John 5:17 In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working."
John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
John 4:34
"My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
John 10:37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.
The Father is not the Son is not the Father (are not the Holy Spirit).Already proven with scripture that the Father is the Son and the Father is the Holy Spirit.
I don't know how much "more" Trinitarian I could be for someone who doesn't acknowledge God as three hypostases.
Nor could anyone validly accuse me of being ignorant on the topic of Theology Proper.
There is One Deity.
The Father is Deity.
The Holy Spirit is Deity.
The Word (Son) is Deity. John 1:1 The Word was God.
These are One Deity.
The Father is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Holy Spirit is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Word is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Father is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Holy Sprit is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Son is Uncreated and the Only Begotten. The Son is the first born over all creation, then everything was made by him, for him, and through him. Colossians 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
The Father is not the Holy Spirit nor the Son (Word).The Father is the Holy Spirit. The Father is the Son. John 14:23 Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.
The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son (Word).Already proven with John 14:23.
The Son (Word) is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit. Already proven with John 14:23.
The Son proceeded forth and came from the Father, Sent by the Father.
The Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father, Sent by the Father and the Son.
(The Holy Spirit proceedeth NOT from both the Father and the Son [Filioque], though Sent by Both.)
Jesus is the Son of God and is Fully and Authentically Divine, Begotten of the Father by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the son of man and is fully and authentically human with a rational soul, born of the virgin by the Holy Spirit.
The Virgin Birth of Jesus was a Supernatural Procreative Act of God, NOT a Creative Act.
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all distinct, uncreated, eternal, non-modal, non-sequential, concurrent, con-essential, con-substantial, inherently ontological Deity.
There are no distinctions.
Jesus says and does only what the Father says and does.
The Holy Spirit says only what the Father and Jesus says.
The Holy Spirit is God the Father.
Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is God the Father.
They are NOT distinct and different.
See John 16:13-14; John 5:19; John 8:28; John 12:49; and, John 12:50.
When we see Jesus, we see the Father.
See John 8:19; 14:7, 9; Hebrews 1:3; and, Colossians 1:15.
John 12:45 The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me.
Their works are NOT different.
John 5:17 In his defense Jesus said to them, "My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working."
John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me.
John 4:34
"My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work.
John 10:37 Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father.
The Father is not the Son is not the Father (are not the Holy Spirit).Already proven with scripture that the Father is the Son and the Father is the Holy Spirit.
I don't know how much "more" Trinitarian I could be for someone who doesn't acknowledge God as three hypostases.
Nor could anyone validly accuse me of being ignorant on the topic of Theology Proper.
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I have said so before that God the Father came to earth as a Son of Man in the flesh. That is the only distinction, which is not a distinction, for Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son of Man, a Son of God.
You claim Jesus is not a man like other men.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
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PneumaPsucheSoma
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I'm not interested in your perverted interpretations of the text or your piggy-backing of my post, which was to Lon.
If you want to craft your own statement of faith and discuss it with others, feel free.
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This is a public site and anyone can reply to comment on anyone's post.
The only reason why you do not defend your beliefs with scripture is because you can't.
I am just glad to rebuke you with scripture, whether or not you attack me personally.
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Jesus is no mere man.
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There are three, and the three are One and the same.
One means same.
There is no one besides God.
There is only One God, and He is the Father.
If Jesus is God, and he is, then he must also be the Father.
You believe a man became God, but that is not possible.
God did become a Man.