PneumaPsucheSoma
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I'm not really sure what you mean. There are no odd terms necessary for worship. Sempiternity is everlastingness, which is the created heaven AND cosmos, from which the cosmos "fell" to temporality for (an) earth age/s and will again be everlasting after judgment.
No oddities required, especially "three persons".
Right. Peace only comes from Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, who are not "persons" as hypostases. And you seem to only marginally listen without really hearing.
Right. Exactly. A Bridegroom and Bride. Husband and wife. NOT Father and Son, or Son and Neuter, or Father and Neuter. The ONLY hypostatic union is between husband and wife. No incest or "others". No "threesomes", either. Just husband and wife.
Thus all Believers are also hypostatically joined by BEING the Bride. That's what the Holy Spirit is for, and why we are collectively the co-prosopon for the Holy Spirit.
NO INCEST IN MARRIAGE, AND NO THREESOMES. NO FATHERS OR NEUTERS. Only Husband and wife.
Of course. Husband and wife, whether spiritual or physical. Not Fathers and children. Not incest. Not homosexuality. Not polygamy. Certainly not all combined. No familial harem.
I've never had any problem cognitively grasping it. It's just erroneous, and it's incestuous homosexuality and polygamy. Hypostatic union is for marriage. We're not married to our heavenly Father or His set apart (Holy) Spirit.
And we're never the same ousia as our husband, Jesus Christ. Hypostatic union is for hypostases with differing ousios, not the same ousia. Plus the fact that we're only hypostatically united with Him who became flesh as we are. The Father and Holy Spirit did not Incarnate, and they are homoousios AND unihypostatic with the Son. No need for a hypostatic union when they're homoousios and unihypostatic.
The Father and Son are not in an incestuous homosexual marriage, while also having a polygamous menage a trois with the Holy Spirit. That's horrific. Blasphemous.
You can't even image how much fail this is for you and Orthodoxy.
(But as I understand it, the Orthodox position is not hypostatic union for the three alleged hypostases, but perichoresis. If the perichoretic is indeed considered hypostatic union between alleged hypostases, incestuous homosexual polygamy isn't exactly an appropriate depiction.) EEK!!!!
None as a child. I thought I was saved. What "drove me" was the Trinity error that gave rise to even greater error in my heart and mind, leaving me lost.
ALL based on Orthodoxy. That's part of being the original and getting it wrong. The EOC is to blame.
Fasting was good enough for Moses, Jesus, and others. I think they're a decent pedigree, as is the inspired text in the original languages. I'll stick with the truth over unscriptural three hypostases.
Nope. Timelessness. (For the quadrillionth time.)
There is ONLY created time. God is no"when"' because there is no when for God. Heaven and the cosmos are created and everlasting. Temporality is the cosmos ONLY during the earth age/s relative to fall-to-judgment. The EOC misrepresents it all, and you've dodged it all.
You are. I've consistently done everything possible to get you to understand.
Duh. That's what I've been saying for two years on TOL. THAT's eternity. Everlasting is the created heaven and cosmos. None of that is temporality (temporary, get it?).
Heaven and the original cosmos are NON-TEMPORAL, but only everlasting and NOT ETERNAL.
ETERNITY = GOD ONLY
EVERLASTING = HEAVEN AND THE COSMOS
TEMPORALITY = FALLEN COSMOS FOR AN AGE (ONLY)
There's NO such thing. God is timeless, just as He is "spaceless". God is not where or when or what. He's not an object at any space or time. He created all where, when, amd what. God ALONE is eternity.
I know. You're wrong about it all and combine eternity and everlasting. This means the three hypostases formulaic is wrong and is as anathema as the Arians, Unitarians, Sabellians, and all others. Orthodoxy is heterodox.
GOOD GRIEF. You either still don't understand or are flipping the script and being obfuscational. Grrrrrrr.
Double dog double DUH!!!! And that is to be contrasted to everlasting (the "ray" as created heaven AND cosmos) AND temporality. You combine eternity and everlastingness (sempiternity).
I'M THE ONE WHO HAS INSISTED ETERNITY IS TIMELESSNESS, NOT ENDLESS TIME. AND I'VE CONTRASTED IT TO ENDLESS TIME THAT HAD A BEGINNING AND TO TEMPORALITY.
THERE. ARE. THREE. DISTINCTIONS. NOT TWO, WHILE COMBINING ETERNITY AND EVERLASTING AS YOU DO.
I simply must infer and contend that you're being intentionally obtuse.
My illustration of the "lineless line" was clearly to get you and others past your omission of the "ray" as everlasting by contrast TO TIMELESSNESS as eternity, which you refuse to acknowledge as the omitted contrast of Orthodoxy.
You combine eternity and everlasting, and misrepresent temporality.
Ahhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How can you do that?!?!?!?!?!
THIS is why I've had so much despite for beligerant arrogant Trinitarians who could NEVER face being wrong. There is NO greater pride in the history of mankind. Not even Atheists or the anathema Arians, Unitarians, Sabellians, and others...COMBINED!!
Ahhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
S. I. G. H.
It can be known ABOUT and acknowledged in contrast to sempiternity and temporality, all of which you misrepresent in ERROR. Apophatics won't hide this egregious error of omission that quantified an unquantifiable God and depicts Him as a 2D sempiternal trio of beings masquerading as "persons". And hypostatic union is for husband and wife in marriage, NOT incest and threesomes. That's perverted!
Your God is merely everlasting (not eternal), is three sentient beings, and didn't create ALL. THAT's the end result of the erroneous Orthodox formulaic.
Yeah, I know. In incomparable pride and misrepresentation. I'm well aware. There's no penetrating such ego.
Lexically, musterion is the initiation into sacred mysteries. What was hidden or unknown until it was revealed. The mystery is revealed (to those who are IN Christ).
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