Derf
Well-known member
I'm not sure what the point of your post is, Clete, though I appreciate the response. If you're trying to convince me to be convinced of a position you're not convinced of, why? Are you trying to say nobody should post if they aren't completely convinced of their position? I understand most people here are merely here to 'splain to the world what truth is, but that's not why I'm here.You should read back through your post and notice how you're so unconvinced of your position here that you intuitively see the evidence against it and preemptively undermine the counter arguments.
If God promising land and a nation whose numbers are as the stars in the sky to Abraham isn't a falsifying counter example, what in the world could be? I understand that sometimes the exception proves the rule but I don't think that can possibly apply here. I mean, God started making prophecies about far distant places and peoples as early as Genesis chapter 3 and pretty much didn't stop all the way through to John's Revelation. When the entire bible is full of exceptions then maybe the exception is the rule.
And, do you really think its hard for God to figure out what the condition of a people's hearts and minds will be in the future? Has there ever been a time since Adam's fall when the condition of men's hearts wasn't wicked? Further, you know, as an Open Theist, that God is not required to fulfill a prophesy of blessing toward a people who are evil nor a prophecy of destruction against a people who repent (Jer. 18). If He were, Jesus would have returned, set up Israel's Kingdom and the Millennium would have been over with a thousand years ago.
Lastly, while exploring what God's motives might be for doing this or that is interesting and is often a fruitful thing to do, I think I would shy away from making doctrine based on a lack of understanding as to what God's motives are, especially when you can clearly see several examples of Him doing precisely the thing that you think "wouldn't make any sense".
Clete
I've learned lots of stuff since I've been here. I've heard positions I disagreed with and then reconsidered. I even suggested at the onset of this thread that I'm considering the idea--not that I'm convinced of it.
It seems to me that anyone that is so convinced of his theology that he can't question it a little is too perfect for this world. Even Jesus said, "If possible, let this cup pass from me...", as if He wasn't so sure He really had to go through with it.