Only One Gospel?

God's Truth

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Your opinions are scripture-less and false.
I can give scripture for EVERYTHING that I say. Ask me to show you the scripture when you need to, but don't tell untruths about what I believe and say.

Acts 2:46 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:46) And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

What, EXACTLY, do you think that they were doing in the TEMPLE daily?

They were not preaching they had to be right with God by sacrificing animals anymore.
Why do you think they were eventually persecuted?

Don't you get it that Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb of God and was killed ON THE CROSS, and that same action is why we too can be saved?

Don't you remember God saying to Peter not to call anyone unclean whom He has made clean?

The use of animal blood was to make one clean. Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb.

It is the same blood and time that makes the Jews clean, and the Gentiles clean.

Washing away the Jew's sins and the Gentile's sins is the same thing and the same way.
 

God's Truth

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Cornelius was saved by Peter teaching the one and only gospel, the same way all get saved. The same way the Jews get saved and the same way the Gentiles get saved.

According to Jewish law, the Jews are NOT allowed to associate with uncircumcised Gentiles.

What was Peter doing in Cornelius' house?

Why did Peter later act out of line with the Truth when he would not longer associate with Gentiles?

Same one and only gospel which is why the Christ rejecting Jews put fear into the Jews who believed in Jesus.

WHAT ARE the Christ rejecting Jews going against the Christian Jews for?

THINK about it.

It is only so long that Jews can obey the temple laws enforced by the Pharisees, yet still preach that none of those laws mean ANYTHING ANYMORE.
 

Zeke

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Its symbolic God never needed animals to be killed like some voodo cult to forgive the ignorant who know not what they do when ruled by their carnal/animalistic nature which is put to death by our divine nature. Wake up people you have been lied to from birth about the historic interptetation of divine salvation described in symbols ,figurative,allegorical, shadow and types yet you make you're Divine parrents vodoo cultist lusting for flesh and blood that inherits death.
 

God's Truth

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Its symbolic God never needed animals to be killed like some voodo cult to forgive the ignorant who know not what they do when ruled by their carnal/animalistic nature which is put to death by our divine nature.

So you are going to lie about the words of God who COMMANDED the sacrifice of animals that made the people outwardly clean? You are going to deny the teaching tool, the shadow of Jesus Christ?

Wake up people you have been lied to from birth about the historic interptetation of divine salvation described in symbols ,figurative,allegorical, shadow and types yet you make you're Divine parrents vodoo cultist lusting for flesh and blood that inherits death.

Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb of God. His death and the way he died mean everything, but you are going against it. The whole Bible flows together, from Jewish to all and effortlessly. Jesus says salvation is from the Jews, and animal sacrifices were done by the Jews. However, you make a mockery out of the words of God; you make a mockery out of the old covenant and the promise. You take away the needing of Jesus' blood. You make it that the dying could have been of old age and no shedding of blood. You take away the power of the cross.

All humans are sinners. God is Holy. How do we approach a Holy God? Why would He accept sin into a pure, clean and Holy Kingdom of Heaven?

Without Jesus cleansing us from our sins, none of us can stand in judgment in front of Him.

Only the blood of the Lamb can cleanse us. Jesus died for our sins. Only He can save us from the coming wrath of God.

Jesus isn't just another good teacher teaching just ask for forgiveness; Jesus is the Lamb of God. His blood takes away the sins of the world. Why not just believe in what Jesus says and not believe he is the Lamb? What is the difference? The difference is that God loves His Son who had never sinned and was willing to die to save the world. Jesus giving up life in heaven and lowering himself by coming to the earth and suffering and dying for us means he is the Greatest Love ever known. What greater love is there? What is it to give up all, and that all being the highest place known? That is the GREATEST LOVE. So you see, we must come to the greatest love to be saved.

God our Father made the Jews build a temple in Jerusalem. There Jews had to offer blood, for the forgiveness of sins, a life sacrifice had to be offered. The Bible says there will be no forgiveness without the offering of blood in the Temple.

That was a teaching tool and shadow of what was coming. It was about someone who gave up heaven to come to earth, you don't get any higher than that. Jesus gave up his throne in heaven to become a man in the flesh, to suffer and die. God Himself came in the flesh.

Jesus did not just teach a new way to think, Jesus taught things and did things that would RECONCILE us to God. Since Adam and Eve sinned and were cast out, Jesus puts us back in and that is reconciliation. It must be from the Greatest Love, not just a teaching without sacrifice.
 
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Zeke

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And it all takes place in you and still happening in man not secular history concerning this worlds kingdom that is symbolic concerning spiritual truth that has no beginning or end.
 

Interplanner

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And it all takes place in you and still happening in man not secular history concerning this worlds kingdom that is symbolic concerning spiritual truth that has no beginning or end.




Just to understand, Zeke, are you saying the event of the Gospel did not happen in history, space and time?
 

Jerry Shugart

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Cornelius was saved by Peter teaching the one and only gospel, the same way all get saved.

Look at what Peter preached to Cornelius and then tell me exactly what Cornelius believed then that lead to his salvation.

They weren't even told to go to the temple priest and bring an animal to sacrifice.

Why were the Christians bringing animals to be sacrificed as late as Acts 21:26?
 

Interplanner

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Look at what Peter preached to Cornelius and then tell me exactly what Cornelius believed then that lead to his salvation.



Why were the Christians bringing animals to be sacrificed as late as Acts 21:26?





The narrative of Acts is not the teaching of Christ in Lk 24. There was no internet. People gaining new teaching did the best they could; Acts 19:2 (haven't heard of a Holy Spirit).

But Peter's report is that it was the same faith as his own, as other Christians.
 

Zeke

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Just to understand, Zeke, are you saying the event of the Gospel did not happen in history, space and time?

Its happening now in each man who jesus was a pattern of the seed that fell from heaven and died until resurrected. In flesh Symbolizrd by the younger sibling Galatians 4:20-28.
 

Interplanner

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Luke. 17:17-20 the only kingdom the son of God must seek which is spiritual




I realize the kingdom is not the same as the shape or scope of "the United States" but it does not mean it is just a subjective entity. Look at 2 Tim 4:1 and you see that it alters the whole world.
 

God's Truth

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Look at what Peter preached to Cornelius and then tell me exactly what Cornelius believed then that lead to his salvation.

Peter preached the message that saves!

Just read what Peter explained to Cornelius and his whole household:


Acts 10

34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

That is about the message that saves. That is the same message that saves that Paul taught. There is ONLY ONE MESSAGE that SAVES

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.

Jesus became sin. Jesus became sin and died on the cross. When Jesus died all sins died. All sins are gone for those who believe. We have to have faith in Jesus' blood taking away all our sins.

When we come to Jesus, and all our sins are taken away...we are to live our new life---living up to the fact that we are without sin. In other words, we are to live our life not sinning anymore.


Philippians 3:16 Only let us live up to what we have already attained.

Why were the Christians bringing animals to be sacrificed as late as Acts 21:26?

The earthly temple was still standing, and the Pharisee and teachers of the law enforced the laws that governed the temple. The Jews were going through a transitional period where they were hearing the New Covenant message that saves and having to keep safe by obeying the earthly temple laws that would soon be obsolete and disappear, just like Jesus said. It was fading. Think about that, it was fading away.
 

Jerry Shugart

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Peter preached the message that saves!

Just read what Peter explained to Cornelius and his whole household:


Acts 10

34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

That is about the message that saves. That is the same message that saves that Paul taught. There is ONLY ONE MESSAGE that SAVES

44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message.

Jesus became sin. Jesus became sin and died on the cross. When Jesus died all sins died. All sins are gone for those who believe. We have to have faith in Jesus' blood taking away all our sins.


Where in Peter's sermon to Cornelius do we read anything about the Lord Jesus becoming sin for us or dying for our sins?

Do you deny that those who believed the "good news" that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, were saved the moment when they believed that gospel?
 

God's Truth

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Where in Peter's sermon to Cornelius do we read anything about the Lord Jesus becoming sin for us or dying for our sins?
So you still don't believe.
Here are scriptures about Jesus dying for our sins, and note that these scriptures are from Peter, John, and Paul, and from whomever you think wrote Hebrews:

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed. 1 Peter 2:24.

Through the sacrifice of Jesus, he gives to all those that come to him freedom from the guilt, power, and punishment of sin. See Hebrews 10:4; 1 Corinthians 15:56; See 2 Peter 2:9.

Through Jesus, we have grace from God and love. Jesus puts us into perfect holiness, joy, and fellowship with himself and the Father. See Hebrews 10:10; Hebrews 1:9; 2 Corinthians 13:14.

Through Jesus’ death we are reconciled to God. See Romans 5:10.

Jesus appeared so that he might take away our sins. See 1 John 3:5.

God sent his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. See Romans 8:3.

An offering for the sins of His people. See Hebrews 10:5.

The LORD has made his life a sacrifice for our wrongdoings. See Isaiah 53:10.

It was the LORD’s will to crush him with suffering. See Isaiah 53:10.

Christ, who knew no sin of his own became sin for believers, so they, who have no righteousness of their own, are made the righteousness of God through Jesus. See 2 Corinthians 5:21.

“And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. See Hebrews 10:17.

God gives us this through Jesus Christ, “where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.” See Hebrews 10:18.

Jesus bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. See Isaiah 53:12

Jesus Christ once for all has made us holy through the sacrifice of his body. Hebrews 10:10.

For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. See Colossians 1:19-21.

God sanctifies us by the truth; His word is truth. John 17:17.

Jesus sanctified himself, that he may truly sanctify us. John 17:19.

Jesus was made perfect through suffering. Hebrews 2:10.

Jesus is able to sympathize with our weaknesses. Hebrews 4:15.

We have cleansing by the washing with water through the word. Ephesians 2:26.

We are also to purify ourselves from everything that contaminates body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God. 2 Corinthians 7:1.

Jesus conquered death when God raised him from the dead. 2 Timothy 1:10.

God has given us eternal life and this life is in His Son. John 3:16.

He who has the Son has life; He who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12.

All who reject Jesus will one day face God’s wrath. John 3:36

His words are life. John 6:63

Do you deny that those who believed the "good news" that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, were saved the moment when they believed that gospel?

No one is saved by believing alone. They must have in their heart agreed to not sin anymore. When people heard the good news, they REPENTED and were saved.

If all the jailer had to do is believe and nothing else, why did he ask what he had to do and why then was he water baptized with the baptism of repentance?


In Acts 2:37 those to whom Peter preached responded by asking, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

Why did Peter say, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

That is two different times now you see that people asked what should they do and they repented as was evident by their water baptism.

In addition, we see that after Paul believed he was baptized with the baptism of repentance (Acts 9:18); as were the Samaritans (Acts 8:12); the Ethiopian (Acts 8:35-39); Cornelius (Acts 10:47-48) and Crispus (Acts 18:8).

Paul says that he planted the seed and that Apollos watered it.

That is about Paul speaking the message and Apollos doing the baptizing.


1 Corinthians 3:6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow

Just because Paul did not do a lot of water baptisms does not mean he did not teach water baptism.

1 Corinthians 10:1 For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers and sisters, that our ancestors were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2 They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.

Did you read that? Paul was speaking about water baptism.

Read what Paul says in the next two scriptures about water baptism:


Romans 6:3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?

Romans 6:4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Paul is describing water baptism. The believer comes to make the pledge to God, to die to the sins of the world; so now standing in the water the believer falls back, as if dead; then, the believer goes under the water, buried; then, the believer rises up out of the water, raises up to live a new life.

We were "buried" with him through BAPTISM into death and RAISED from the dead...raised to live through Christ.
 

Jerry Shugart

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So you still don't believe.

Why did you not answer my question?

Where in Peter's sermon to Cornelius do we read anything about the Lord Jesus becoming sin for us or dying for our sins?

No one is saved by believing alone.

Oh, I forgot!

You think you know more about how a person is saved that does Paul:

"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:30-31).​

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth"
(Ro.1:16).​
 

God's Truth

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Where in Peter's sermon to Cornelius do we read anything about the Lord Jesus becoming sin for us or dying for our sins?

I can hardly believe that you asked that question in RESPONSE to the scriptures I gave about the message that saves, the message that Peter preached.

Acts 10

34 Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35 but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right.

Colossians 3:25 and Romans 2:11.

Did you just read those scriptures? Those are scriptures of PAUL saying the same thing that Peter says.


36 You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.37 You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
39 “We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40 but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41 He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42 He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”

Forgiveness of sins through Jesus Christ, through the NEW COVENANT. What NEW Covenant? The Covenant OF HIS BLOOD.

Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Matthew 9:6 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “Get up, take your mat and go home.”

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”

Mark 2:7 “Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

Luke 1:77 to give his people the knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of their sins,

Luke 5:20 When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven

Romans 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Colossians 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
 

Jerry Shugart

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I can hardly believe that you asked that question in RESPONSE to the scriptures I gave about the message that saves, the message that Peter preached.

I asked you this and you continue to just play like you have actually answered it:

Where in Peter's sermon to Cornelius do we read anything about the Lord Jesus becoming sin for us or dying for our sins?

You said that fact was in the sermon preached by Peter to Cornelius but you continue to refuse to tell us where it is found in that sermon.

No one is saved by believing alone.

Oh, I forgot!

You think you know more about how a person is saved that does Paul:

"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:30-31).​

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth"
(Ro.1:16).​
 

Interplanner

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I asked you this and you continue to just play like you have actually answered it:

Where in Peter's sermon to Cornelius do we read anything about the Lord Jesus becoming sin for us or dying for our sins?

You said that fact was in the sermon preached by Peter to Cornelius but you continue to refuse to tell us where it is found in that sermon.



Oh, I forgot!

You think you know more about how a person is saved that does Paul:

"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:30-31).​

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth"
(Ro.1:16).​





Jerry,
If you are talking about 10:34-43, then you have a memory problem or are an obtuse liar. btw, I don't think you can call 2 paragraphs like that a 'sermon'--if that is all he said.
 

God's Truth

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I asked you this and you continue to just play like you have actually answered it:

Where in Peter's sermon to Cornelius do we read anything about the Lord Jesus becoming sin for us or dying for our sins?

You said that fact was in the sermon preached by Peter to Cornelius but you continue to refuse to tell us where it is found in that sermon.

You are playing as if you did not read it.

Peter gives the message that saves is to ALL, JEWS AND GENTILES. That is exactly what Jesus says would happen when he is crucified.

Peter talks about Jesus being crucified and rising for the forgiveness of sins.

It is the BLOOD on the cross that Jesus spoke of (Matthew 26:28), and the same blood on the cross that Paul speaks of (Ephesians 1:7 and more).

You want to act like I didn't succeed in proving the truth that I speak, when it is you who does not consider carefully the scriptures.

Jesus says it depends on how hard you try to understand, it will be given to you and more.

Mark 4:24 "Consider carefully what you hear," he continued. "With the measure you use, it will be measured to you--and even more.

There is NO WAY you considered carefully the MANY scriptures I took my time to carefully supply for you.
 

Interplanner

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You are playing as if you did not read it.

Peter gives the message that saves is to ALL, JEWS AND GENTILES. That is exactly what Jesus says would happen when he is crucified.

Peter talks about Jesus being crucified and rising for the forgiveness of sins.

It is the BLOOD on the cross that Jesus spoke of (Matthew 26:28), and the same blood on the cross that Paul speaks of (Ephesians 1:7 and more).

You want to act like I didn't succeed in proving the truth that I speak, when it is you who does not consider carefully the scriptures.

Jesus says it depends on how hard you try to understand, it will be given to you and more.

Mark 4:24 "Consider carefully what you hear," he continued. "With the measure you use, it will be measured to you--and even more.

There is NO WAY you considered carefully the MANY scriptures I took my time to carefully supply for you.




Don't get your expectations up, Jerry will find a problem with one word no matter what and say the idea is "totally" different from what it means. Anything to help D'ism survive.
 
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