On the Seventh Day

[Ps82]

Spiritual work not civil. Spirit driven people do as lead by the Spirit. Heal, preach, help one in need through the Spirit.

I happen to believe That God the Spirit did work on the first six days. Scripture said that all things are IN HIM and He in THEM ... so, I believe the beginning for the first six days many things were being established and created within the invisible realms ... including the spiritual nature of male-female. Ultimately things began to appear as the LIGHT would be exposing them to anything that had eyes to behold. Things like the Sun and stars and moon and planets ... but on the SEVENTH DAY ... God was going to fill the earth which had been without form and void of anything we now know.

Gen 2 will tell you there were no plants or animals nor rain nor man to till any crops. Yet, it speaks of the Generations of The LORD's works. He brought forth a mist upon the ground ... then formed a body for humanity after the likeness of HIS/God's own image.

So who is The LORD? My answer ... He was/is God, BUT God appearing with his IMAGE. That is the difference between Gen. 1 and Genesis 2. God created everything ... but the name change from Elohim to LORD served the purpose of pointing out something wonderful about God.

He is invisible AND he can appear! The one working on the first six days was God-Invisible-Spirit. The one working on the Seventh day was God-Appearing.

And what did God-Appearing look like? My interpretation is: Since God formed Adam after HIS OWN PERSONAL IMAGE, then The LORD looked like a male/a human man, but HE wasn't human ... He was the super-natural presence of the eternal immortal God-Appearing. Super-natural in that his form was more angelic in nature and very likely not bound to the limitations of Adam's body.

God did not look like man ... for God had that image first! Man was formed to look like God's presence. This is presence of the future MAN/God for whom the Seventh Day was created. THE GOD MAN/male-presence who would one day inherit the earth and judge humanity.

Adam's descendants were not to work on the LORD God Man's day. That DAY BELONGED TO Emmanuel - the Messiah.

 

[JudgeRightly]

You clearly don’t understand the example given in verse 2 is not a dietary law but a manmade opinion though it is there in black and white. NOWHERE is it forbidden or stated in the Law that we are to only eat Vegies. Therefore the differing opinions mentioned are those of our own device not those from the word of God. This an objective statement. You have answer the point with subjective reasoning. By what you think and feel rather than what is written. A thus saith the Lord.

And you clearly cannot grasp concepts that go beyond the text.

There's no point in further discussion with you.

You aren't willing to comprehend.

 

[Derf]

It is plural

Yes, and?

and that is the start of the argument.
You are correct I haven't went beyond that fact to show how the context shows one way or another. What you failed to mention is NO ONE HAS.

But if you expect anyone to prove their point before you attempt to prove yours, when it is your thread, the onus is misplaced.

The hole point to just sharing it was plural was to instigate the one being talk to do so.

I don't understand what you mean. Could you check your sentence structure and try again?

But focusing on plural "sabbaths" does not exclude the seventh day sabbath, since it is, you admit, at least one of the types of sabbaths. When it is coupled with "holy days", we can find other similar uses in scripture, like:
Exodus 35:2 KJV — Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

The 7th day sabbath is here called "an holy day". So now Col 2:16 can be said to mention 7th day sabbaths twice, once as a holy day and once in the category of all sabbath days.

 

[Him]

And you clearly cannot grasp concepts that go beyond the text.

There's no point in further discussion with you.

You aren't willing to comprehend.

More subjectivity without actually adressing anything above what you feel. That’s okay since there is no argument against the fact
That the example given in verse 2 in relation to verse 1 is not a dietary law but a manmade opinion though it is there in black and white. NOWHERE is it forbidden or stated in the Law that we are to only eat Vegies. Therefore the differing opinions mentioned are those of our own device not those from the word of God. This an objective statement. You have answer the point with subjective reasoning. By what you think and feel rather than what is written. A thus saith the Lord.

But focusing on plural "sabbaths" does not exclude the seventh day sabbath, since it is, you admit, at least one of the types of sabbaths. When it is coupled with "holy days", we can find other similar uses in scripture, like:
Exodus 35:2 KJV — Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.

The 7th day sabbath is here called "an holy day". So now Col 2:16 can be said to mention 7th day sabbaths twice, once as a holy day and once in the category of all sabbath days.

No it isn't. In a lot of English translations we see the word "or" in verse 16. It is translated from the Greek word ἤ.
Here is the Strong's citation: "Strong's: A primary particle of distinction between two connected terms; disjunctive or; comparative than: - and but (either) (n-) either except it be (n-) or (else) rather save than that what yea. Often used in connection with other particles. Compare especially G2235 G2260 G2273. "

So we see since it is a word used to make a distinction between two words that it can't be as you say in verse 16. The holy days and sabbaths are to separate things.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

Below is a summary. It shows the context of context 2:13-17 in relation to chapter 1 and itself. Since it was posted in the same post that your response above was to and you did not respond to it, here it is again.

Having been forgiven all trespasses; having made peace through the blood of his cross, reconciling all things unto himself the deliverance, the remission, removal of the sins through His blood. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, the certificate of indebtedness. What we owed because of our sin according to the hand writing of ordinances, the certificate of indebtedness that Moses penned due to our sin. For this is that which was against us. And is that which was contrary to us. This He took out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Spoiling THESE principalities, that which was first established and it's power nailing it to the cross. Making a show of them openly. Therefore, because of what was just said, let no man, judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath, these which are of those handwriting of ordinances. That which was written because of our sin and therefore done away with at the cross. For we have been forgiven of all our trespasses. For they were a shadow of things to come, but the body, the church (vs.1:18,24) is of Christ.

 

[JudgeRightly]

More subjectivity without actually adressing anything above what you feel.

You're literally too stupid to understand what Paul is talking about.

That’s okay since there is no argument against the fact That the example given in verse 2 in relation to verse 1 is not a dietary law but a manmade opinion though it is there in black and white. NOWHERE is it forbidden or stated in the Law that we are to only eat Vegies.

GOOD FOR YOU! You at least figured out that much!

Good job!

Therefore the differing opinions mentioned are those of our own device not those from the word of God.

You have completely missed the point Paul is making.

This an objective statement.

Saying it doesn't make it so.

You have answer the point with subjective reasoning. By what you think and feel rather than what is written.

I have done nothing of the sort!

The context shows Paul talking about the law, about Israel and their legalism, and he's giving an example to make a point. A point which has so far completely eluded you.

A thus saith the Lord.

Speak in full sentences. Maybe you'll get your point across better.

 

[Ps82]

Praise my LORD and Savior. No one has an argument with me nor a put down. Guess that means they agree with my thoughts.

 

[Clete]

A law is nothing more than something established. Like the law of gravity or entropy. We are made in God's image and likeness. That is a law, something established, that just is. With that in mind, let's take a look at the law in Deuteronomy 30:10-14. There we will find that they who would come to God, at that time Israel or the stranger within their gates are instructed to hearken unto the voice of the Lord, keeping of the commandments and statutes contained in the Book of the Law. And that this Word is in our hearts and mouths that we do it. Please note that it doesn't say put in, but that it is in. Therefore, it is something that is established, therefore a law. Which makes sense, since we were made in His image and likeness. One should also note that verse 10 does not mention the judgements. That is because there is No need for them if we are living according to how we are made. Being made in His image and likeness, with His word in our hearts and mouths. This law is also paraphrased in Romans 10:6-8 showing it's implications in and through Christ. This can also be seen in Acts 17, where Paul says to pagans, for in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. His use of the word "we" includes those to whom he was speaking. Which makes sense, since we are all made in His image and likeness. And part of that since the Garden of Eden is hearkening unto His voice. For in Him we live, move and have our being.

So with that in mind, our bodies have a natural 7-day rest cycle. This natural 7-day rest cycle is bound up in all of biology. Almost, if not everything that has a body, from insects to fish to mammals, has a natural built in, 7-day cycle. It's in our genetics and is called the “Circaseptan rhythm”.
According to the field of chronobiology, almost, if not all life operates on this cycle, and the biological need for rest. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, these rhythms continue to persist, indicating that it may be inherent in origin. iIn other words We need rest every 7th day regardless of our environment.

It is interesting that almost all, if not creation that has a body has this Circaseptan rhythm and on the 7th day God rested and WAS refreshed. Couple that with the fact that He did so is the reason why he reminded us of ALL the moral instructions and included the rest on the seventh day, since we are made in His image and likeness. IT IS THE BEST TIME TO DO SO. But Not only us, but the very creatures, livestock to which we have taken under our care are to do so, that they have rest and be refreshed at the best possible time that is given in relation to the genetic rhythm in all that God gave a body. Despite being exposed to different environmental and social factors, as was said, these rhythms persist, which indicate that it is inherent in origin. And Being made in God's image likeness show us that it is inherent. And when we fell away in Eden is why God reminded us of the Sabbath and taught us to keep it, to protect us and creation from harm and live to our full potential. Incidentally, the busy Beaver and, Bee and various species of birds have been observed in this cessation from work on Saturday. Which is a powerful testimony also in respect to the 7th day being the day of rest.





If we would define moral instruction we would say that these instructions are that which keep us and society from harm.

The following is an excerpt from a study found at the National Library of Medicine. Link embedded.

What is the significance of the 7 d activity/rest cycle, i.e. week, storied in the Book of Genesis and adopted by the Hebrews and thereafter the residents of nearby Mediterranean countries and ultimately the world? Why do humans require 1 d off per 7 d span? Do 7 d rhythms bestow functional advantage to organisms? Is the magic ascribed to the number 7 of relevance? We hypothesize the 7 d time structure of human beings is endogenous in origin - a hypothesis that is affirmed by a wide array of evidence - and synchronized by sociocultural factors linked to the Saturday (Hebrews) or Sunday (Christian) holy day of rest. We also hypothesize they are representative, at least in part, of the biological requirement for rest and repair 1 d each 7 d, just as the circadian time structure is representative, in part, of the biological need for rest and repair each 24 h.


When our mind is already made up and we think we know something, what is possibility of it being changed?

The claim rests on equating “law” in Scripture with natural laws like gravity or biological rhythms. That is a category error. Gravity and entropy are descriptive laws of nature (i.e. things that happen). God’s Law, by contrast, is prescriptive. Meaning that it tells us what ought to happen. To conflate the two is to confuse “is” with “ought.”

When Deuteronomy 30 says the word is in our hearts and mouths, it does not mean that God’s commandments are automatic or biologically programmed. Israel repeatedly failed to keep the Law, which shows that knowing right from wrong does not equal doing it. Paul in Romans 10 cites that passage to point to the righteousness of faith in Christ, not to teach that God’s statutes are a built-in genetic code.

The appeal to the circaseptan rhythm is also flawed. While some studies suggest seven-day cycles exist in biology, these rhythms are not universal, nor do they align perfectly with a Saturday Sabbath. Many species show daily, monthly, or seasonal rhythms, but that does not establish divine command. Even if a biological pattern exists, that does not mean God’s rest command is merely about biology; it is a covenantal sign given specifically to Israel (Exodus 31:13), not a universal natural law binding all nations.

Even if some animals show a seven-day rhythm, that does not establish divine authority for the Sabbath. Biological cycles are descriptive, not prescriptive. Migrating birds, spawning salmon, or cicadas emerging every 17 years are also rhythmic patterns, but no one argues those cycles create moral obligations for humans. Observed animal behavior may be interesting, but it cannot dictate or prove God’s moral law.

Most importantly, the New Testament consistently presents the Sabbath as fulfilled in Christ (Colossians 2:16–17). The reality is not in the cycle but in the relationship with Him. Christians are not under the Sabbath law; they live in the liberty of Christ’s finished work.

In short, the argument misuses the meaning of “law,” confuses descriptive biology with prescriptive morality, stretches Scripture beyond its intent, and ignores the New Testament’s teaching on the Sabbath being fulfilled in Christ.

 

[Derf]

More subjectivity without actually adressing anything above what you feel. That’s okay since there is no argument against the fact
That the example given in verse 2 in relation to verse 1 is not a dietary law but a manmade opinion though it is there in black and white. NOWHERE is it forbidden or stated in the Law that we are to only eat Vegies. Therefore the differing opinions mentioned are those of our own device not those from the word of God. This an objective statement. You have answer the point with subjective reasoning. By what you think and feel rather than what is written. A thus saith the Lord.

No it isn't. In a lot of English translations we see the word "or" in verse 16. It is translated from the Greek word ἤ.
Here is the Strong's citation: "Strong's: A primary particle of distinction between two connected terms; disjunctive or; comparative than: - and but (either) (n-) either except it be (n-) or (else) rather save than that what yea. Often used in connection with other particles. Compare especially G2235 G2260 G2273. "

So we see since it is a word used to make a distinction between two words that it can't be as you say in verse 16. The holy days and sabbaths are to separate things.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

So sabbath days are not holy?

Below is a summary. It shows the context of context 2:13-17 in relation to chapter 1 and itself. Since it was posted in the same post that your response above was to and you did not respond to it, here it is again.

Having been forgiven all trespasses; having made peace through the blood of his cross, reconciling all things unto himself the deliverance, the remission, removal of the sins through His blood. Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances, the certificate of indebtedness. What we owed because of our sin according to the hand writing of ordinances, the certificate of indebtedness that Moses penned due to our sin. For this is that which was against us. And is that which was contrary to us. This He took out of the way, nailing it to his cross. Spoiling THESE principalities, that which was first established and it's power nailing it to the cross. Making a show of them openly. Therefore, because of what was just said, let no man, judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath, these which are of those handwriting of ordinances. That which was written because of our sin and therefore done away with at the cross. For we have been forgiven of all our trespasses. For they were a shadow of things to come, but the body, the church (vs.1:18,24) is of Christ.

I appreciate the fact that you are quoting scripture, but i don't see how it helps your point. If the sabbath was a shadow of things to come, then, like the other shadows, it does not need to be continued in the shadow form, since we have our true rest in Christ.

 

[Right Divider]

So sabbath days are not holy?

The body of Christ has no sabbath days, so that's moot today.

Israel had plenty of sabbath days ... and those were holy.

 

[Ps82]

Spiritual work not civil. Spirit driven people do as lead by the Spirit. Heal, preach, help one in need through the Spirit.

I don't understand you comment about my message. I thought we were talking about the 7th day ... which I think refers to the Sabbath Day when Jesus did a number of his miracles. What is your comment again about spirit work versus civil work???

 

[Ps82]

Praise my LORD and Savior. No one has an argument with me nor a put down. Guess that means they agree with my thoughts.

Thank you JudgeRightly and RightDivider for laughing at my ideas and posts. There is no wonder I don't speak to you individually.

 

[Ps82]

I don't understand you comment about my message. I thought we were talking about the 7th day ... which I think refers to the Sabbath Day when Jesus did a number of his miracles. What is your comment again about spirit work versus civil work???

LOL ... I answered my own question. Thought I was replying to HIM's post. Anyway here goes.
Regarding the seventh day versus The Sabbath.
I think I am correct that The Sabbath was established as a holy day because it was The LORD's Day ...

What does that mean? The Seventh Day is the day The LORD God worked as recorded in Genesis 2.
That day was established for the LORD to work and sanctified for the purpose of pointing to the future Lord/Messiah/Emanuel as man to come.

God's chosen people began celebrating the Sabbath because it's one of the Ten Commandments. The Seventh Day was ultimately called The Sabbath and it was meant to honor THE MAN who would come as mankind's savior.

A light came on when I pondered these questions.
Who was made on the 7th day? ans.Adam/ MANkind!
Who made mankind that day? The LORD.
Who was The LORD? I'll save that discussion for another day.

Therefore this is how I interpret: Mark 2:27 And he (Jesus) said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

1.) The sabbath (7th day of creation) was established/created for THE MAN who worked upon it.
2.) and THAT DAY was not made for MAN-kind (Adam, who was merely created on that day).

The 7th Day/Sabbath Day is The LORD'S DAY and there HE was as God in flesh - standing in front of those to whom he was speaking.

This is one reason Jesus did so many miracles on the Sabbath. It was to show people, who were not blind to truth, who he was as The LORD of the Sabbath Day.

Isaiah 43:11 I (The ONE true Spiritual God), even I, am The LORD (of the seventh day); beside ME (as God and LORD) there is no Savior.

IOW, God the Spirit and HE appearing as LORD of the 7th Day and then again as God as the Savior .... are all three one. Finishing HIS plans while working within his creation as the three personages of the God Head. Only one of those died for us.

 

[Right Divider]

@Ps82
The Bible never describes the 7th day sabbath as "the Lord's day".

 

[Clete]

LOL ... I answered my own question. Thought I was replying to HIM's post. Anyway here goes.
Regarding the seventh day versus The Sabbath.
I think I am correct that The Sabbath was established as a holy day because it was The LORD's Day ...

What does that mean? The Seventh Day is the day The LORD God worked as recorded in Genesis 2.
That day was established for the LORD to work and sanctified for the purpose of pointing to the future Lord/Messiah/Emanuel as man to come.

God's chosen people began celebrating the Sabbath because it's one of the Ten Commandments. The Seventh Day was ultimately called The Sabbath and it was meant to honor THE MAN who would come as mankind's savior.

A light came on when I pondered these questions.
Who was made on the 7th day? ans.Adam/ MANkind!
Who made mankind that day? The LORD.
Who was The LORD? I'll save that discussion for another day.

Therefore this is how I interpret: Mark 2:27 And he (Jesus) said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.

1.) The sabbath (7th day of creation) was established/created for THE MAN who worked upon it.
2.) and THAT DAY was not made for MAN-kind (Adam, who was merely created on that day).

The 7th Day/Sabbath Day is The LORD'S DAY and there HE was as God in flesh - standing in front of those to whom he was speaking.

This is one reason Jesus did so many miracles on the Sabbath. It was to show people, who were not blind to truth, who he was as The LORD of the Sabbath Day.

Isaiah 43:11 I (The ONE true Spiritual God), even I, am The LORD (of the seventh day); beside ME (as God and LORD) there is no Savior.

IOW, God the Spirit and HE appearing as LORD of the 7th Day and then again as God as the Savior .... are all three one. Finishing HIS plans while working within his creation as the three personages of the God Head. Only one of those died for us.

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This interpretation is just wrong and makes no sense at all.

Adam was not created on the seventh day. The Bible could not be clearer. God made man on the sixth day, along with the animals. Then on the seventh, He stopped. Genesis 2:2 says, “And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested.” That was the whole point. He rested. He did not continue working, He did not create anything new, and He did not sanctify the day by doing something on it. He sanctified it by resting. Trying to claim otherwise is not just a stretch; it is a direct contradiction of the text.

Mark 2:27 does not say the Sabbath was made for “The Man.” It says it was made for man. That word is anthrōpos in Greek, meaning humanity. Jesus was not speaking in riddles. He was correcting the Pharisees for turning the Sabbath into a burden. He was reminding them that it was created to serve man, not to rule over him. Trying to twist that verse into some sort of cryptic messianic code misses the plain meaning entirely.

The idea that Jesus was “working” on the Sabbath because it was His day also turns the text on its head. Jesus healed on the Sabbath to show that doing good was never a violation of it. Mercy is not a breach of holiness. Rest was never meant to be the absence of action, but the presence of peace, wholeness, and restoration, which is what His miracles brought. They were not acts of defiance, they were signs of Who He was (i.e. God).

If you want to say the Sabbath points to Christ, you are right. Colossians 2 says exactly that. It is a shadow. The substance being Christ. He is our rest. He is the fulfillment of the Sabbath. He is the Lord of the Sabbath, not because He worked on it, but because He is the one who gives it meaning.

So no, man was not made on the seventh day. God did not work on the seventh day. The Sabbath was not created to honor a future man. It was created to bless mankind. Jesus stood in front of them as the Lord of that day, not to reshape it, not to reinterpret it, but to fulfill it completely.

 

[Idolater]

... The Seventh Day is the day The LORD God worked as recorded in Genesis 2.
That day was established for the LORD to work and sanctified for the purpose of pointing to the future Lord/Messiah/Emanuel as man to come. ...

...
Who was made on the 7th day? ans.Adam/ MANkind!
Who made mankind that day? The LORD. ...

What lol? Literally it's a day of rest not work. I don't understand—did you MEAN to say day of rest? I'm only even posting because you did it multiple times, not just once.

In fact that God rested on the seventh day (literally, wooden literally seventh day) is proof that we're not automatons, because He had already made us, and if Him resting and Him being exhaustively definitively sovereign are both true, then all His creation would have evaporated that day. But it didn't. So obv He's not exhaustively definitely sovereign, which is obv in complete accord with us having genuine free will.

 

[Clete]

In fact that God rested on the seventh day (literally, wooden literally seventh day) is proof that we're not automatons, because He had already made us, and if Him resting and Him being exhaustively definitively sovereign are both true, then all His creation would have evaporated that day. But it didn't. So obv He's not exhaustively definitely sovereign, which is obv in complete accord with us having genuine free will.

The logic of this doesn't follow.

The idea seems to be that if God “rested,” He must have stopped sustaining creation, and if He stopped sustaining it, it would vanish. That’s like saying an architect who steps away from his drafting table causes his finished building to collapse. “Resting” doesn’t imply “withdrawing all power” or “ceasing to uphold creation” or even that God stopped doing whatever He wanted to be doing. In the context of Genesis 1, it means that he ceased from the act of creating, and nothing else.

Not that I believe that God has to micromanage the minutia of the universe for it to work, but merely that your logic is flawed. Correct conclusion but terrible reasoning. I recommend not using that argument any longer.

 

[Ps82]

Spiritual work not civil. Spirit driven people do as lead by the Spirit. Heal, preach, help one in need through the Spirit.

Is everyone called to preach and heal? Not all disciples healed in the New Testament ... only a select few. But I get your point I think. You just want to talk about being Spirit filled after Christ arose. Right???

I certainly believe your remarks about the built in cycle of rest, but I don't think scripture is just about us and our needs. I think it is first about God and the revealing of our Savior. This is why I compare the Seventh day with the sanctified day called The Sabbath. The seventh day of creation was established to reveal our Lord ... Our God who came as the Promised God/Man. Man/Adam was not made for the Sabbath but the Sabbath for the Man. Therefore, humanity was not to work on the Seventh/Sabbath Day for that was The Day the LORD worked. Who was The LORD? He was the Father. Who was the OT Father? He was the WORD of God. Who was The WORD? He was God's voice who was with God and was God? Who was the WORD who came as our Savior? He was the Father and God.

Paraphrased verses: Oh that ye be ONE as the Father and I are ONE. When you have seen me, you have seen the Father. No one had ever seen God, as the begotten Son, until John the Baptist proclaimed HIM. You do not know who I AM for you have never heard HIS voice nor seen HIS shape. If you had you would know me. If you believe not the things I say then at least believe what you see me do.

You know Jesus scooped up dust from the ground (elements of creations without spiritual life from God). Added spittle (a measure of moisture directly from God) and formed functioning eye balls for a blind man who had none since birth. This is what the Father LORD God did on the Seventh/sanctified Sabbath Day in Gen. 2. HE added a measure of water (mist) to the dust and then personally shaped eyeballs for the first Adam. The Sabbath is about our God as our Creator and Savior.

I suggest HE sanctified that day and he may have also established it as a day of rest within humanity and animals ... for his glory not just man's comfort or reminder of our moral behaviors. The Sabbath was created for THE MAN not for man.

 

[Clete]

Is everyone called to preach and heal? Not all disciples healed in the New Testament ... only a select few. But I get your point I think. You just want to talk about being Spirit filled after Christ arose. Right???

I certainly believe your remarks about the built in cycle of rest, but I don't think scripture is just about us and our needs. I think it is first about God and the revealing of our Savior. This is why I compare the Seventh day with the sanctified day called The Sabbath. The seventh day of creation was established to reveal our Lord ... Our God who came as the Promised God/Man. Man/Adam was not made for the Sabbath but the Sabbath for the Man. Therefore, humanity was not to work on the Seventh/Sabbath Day for that was The Day the LORD worked. Who was The LORD? He was the Father. Who was the OT Father? He was the WORD of God. Who was The WORD? He was God's voice who was with God and was God? Who was the WORD who came as our Savior? He was the Father and God.

Paraphrased verses: Oh that ye be ONE as the Father and I are ONE. When you have seen me, you have seen the Father. No one had ever seen God, as the begotten Son, until John the Baptist proclaimed HIM. You do not know who I AM for you have never heard HIS voice nor seen HIS shape. If you had you would know me. If you believe not the things I say then at least believe what you see me do.

You know Jesus scooped up dust from the ground (elements of creations without spiritual life from God). Added spittle (a measure of moisture directly from God) and formed functioning eye balls for a blind man who had none since birth. This is what the Father LORD God did on the Seventh/sanctified Sabbath Day in Gen. 2. HE added a measure of water (mist) to the dust and then personally shaped eyeballs for the first Adam. The Sabbath is about our God as our Creator and Savior.

I suggest HE sanctified that day and he may have also established it as a day of rest within humanity and animals ... for his glory not just man's comfort or reminder of our moral behaviors. The Sabbath was created for THE MAN not for man.

There is a certain kind of religious talk that sounds deep but says nothing. It floats on the surface of Scripture like a film of oil, shiny and iridescent but without substance beneath. It borrows the language of revelation while ignoring the discipline of reason, blending fragments of verses and pious phrases into something that feels spiritual but defies anything that resembles sound reason. You can almost sense the speaker’s sincerity, yet the result is incoherence.

This is what happens when the mind is not anchored in truth. The Bible warns against being “tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine” (Ephesians 4:14). That’s not merely poetic imagery; it’s an intellectual and spiritual diagnosis. A mind that rejects the rules of sound reasoning has no rudder and cannot hold a steady course. It confuses imagination with insight, contradiction with mystery, and emotion with revelation.

Reason is not the enemy of the Spirit. It is the Spirit’s chosen instrument. The same God who calls us to worship Him “in spirit" also calls us to worship Him "in truth” (John 4:24) and calls us to love Him “with all the mind” (Matt 22:37). Truth and logic are not rivals; they are partners. To think clearly is to honor the God of truth, because truth cannot contradict itself. God is not the author of confusion (I Cor. 14:33) and the Holy Spirit does not lead a man into confusion, except in judgment of wrong doing (see Exodus 23:27; Deuteronomy 28:20 and elsewhere).

When people abandon reason in pursuit of doctrine, what follows is, at best, a jumble of holy-sounding nonsense. A verse from Genesis, a miracle from the book of John, a phrase about “the Word,” all mashed together into something that feels mystical, even pious, but collapses under the first touch of rational thought. That’s not revelation; it’s self-deception to the point of delusion.

Faith without reason becomes superstition. Spirit without order becomes chaos. And religion without logic becomes the very thing Scripture warns us about; a wind that blows this way and that, carrying souls wherever fancy leads. It is worse than useless; it's destructive and harmful.