:think: Apparently *their* excuses don't count against them. Even *if* someone were in a weakened, vulnerable state, I would expect others to either help the person or leave them be.
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:think: Apparently *their* excuses don't count against them. Even *if* someone were in a weakened, vulnerable state, I would expect others to either help the person or leave them be.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
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a tricycle goes too fast for artie :chuckle:
pondered this overnight (in between the non-stop cbc coverage of the paris mess) - not sure why some think that holding a woman responsible for her behavior means diminishing a man's responsibility for his
I just don't get it :idunno:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
depends - was it a white woman, drunk and flashing her diamond ring in front of a gang of drug dealers in the ghetto saying "Look at this! Look at it! This ring is worth ten thousand dollars! And you'll never have it! Nyah nyah nyah!" right before she passed out?
If so, then I would not absolve the thief from his crime of assault and robbery.
But I wouldn't have any sympathy for the woman either.
in fact, I'd probably say she deserved it, or she brought it on herself, or she was asking for it, or she should have known better
and so would you
but that's not faaaiiirrrr!
women should be able to strip at frat parties - it's their right!
"I was too drunk"
"I was too stoned"
"I didn't know that dancing in my underwear at a party and passing out drunk was risky behavior"
aren't those all saying the same thing - "I was stupid"?
why should I have any sympathy for stupid people when the stupid things they do cause them to come to harm?
glassjester
Well-known member
It should give you pause, that you have to invent ridiculous, fictional scenarios in order to support your equally ridiculous and fictional point.
Did they freely and knowingly choose to be stupid?
If not, then you should sympathize for them.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
it's an extreme case that you still can't manage to answer :idunno:
Of course she would, she does it all the time, when she excuses the behavior of thugs like michael brown, or flippantly writes off black violence against whites "because they asked for it" .... only her use is worse, she thinks even though there is no direct link at all, the group as a whole asked for it, because of things way in the past outside of their control.
In these scenerios, there are direct links.
glassjester
Well-known member
It's not a case. It never was. It didn't happen.
What a retarded thing to say, no one said the rapist isnt guilty because...
you guys just keep right on pretending thats being said.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
it's a hypothetical
a white woman, drunk and flashing her diamond ring in front of a gang of drug dealers in the ghetto saying "Look at this! Look at it! This ring is worth ten thousand dollars! And you'll never have it! Nyah nyah nyah!" right before she passed out - does she bear any responsibility for the consequences of her behavior?
Did the naked woman at the frat party full of a room of only drunk men, who lapped danced them (while naked) and allowed their hands on her too while doing so, choose to be stupid?
yep.
Was she pretty or ugly?
glassjester
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Is this hypothetical, or are you describing an actual situation that led to rape?
led to? the hypothetical is that happened while she was on one of the laps. I dont want to be graphic so youll need to figure out how that can happen.
yes there have been situations like it, and what its based on.
glorydaz
Well-known member
Peeping Tom?
glassjester
Well-known member
Ok. You said before that this woman chose to be stupid.
Do you mean to imply that she knew she'd be raped?
Or (more likely) that she should have known, but didn't?
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
yes
Neither, i mean to say outright, that she chose to be stupid and become a victim because of her stupidity.
I dont consider what happened in that scenario rape.
Her naked in his lap and letting him paw her, is implied consent imo.
Foxfire
Well-known member
Consensual stupidity SHOULD be criminal IMHO, but it isn't a high volume factor in the majority of rape cases nationally.
Jurisprudence is not an exact science. It is a finite set of rules for an infinite set of variations and circumstances.
Despite the best of intentions, sometimes the innocent(sic) are swept up with the same broom as the guilty.
Raising the threshold of guilt in the case of rape allegations has no bearing on that except to create an environment even more conducive to abuse.
The court system has an obligation to make an effort to take into consideration any and all extenuating circumstance that may apply, and adjudicate the case accordingly.
If the conditions that you describe were not taken fully into account, the Judge should be stubble drug.
But the rapist should do 90 days just for stupidity.