On Rape (the original statement)

[Quetzal]

and the responsibility for the behavior and the consequences that ensue from that behavior

go back and look again

You are trying to broaden the topic to include evidence to make your original, specific example look more appealing. Another fallacy, in fact.

 

[annabenedetti]

this is interesting
you start a provocative thread
and
then try to put limits on it

So? What part of that annoys you? That you can't hear more about the bad things that men have done to me in my life?

 

[ok doser]

Oh, for you it is. I left this on TH's profile page earlier:


I should start a thread that tracks all the times you and chrys mention TH. :think:

right - to show how obsessive we are, you're gonna indulge your own obsession with us :kookoo:

good one! :thumb:


he'll be back anna - he always comes back after he's slunk off and sulked for a month

 

[chrysostom]

Oh, for you it is. I left this on TH's profile page earlier:


I should start a thread that tracks all the times you and chrys mention TH. :think:

do you miss him as much as we do?

 

[Quetzal]

why should rape be viewed differently from all crime?

Not all crimes are equal. Simple, right?

 

[ok doser]

this is interesting
you start a provocative thread
and
then try to put limits on it

seems a bit controlling, doesn't it? :chuckle:

 

[annabenedetti]

do you miss him as much as we do?

No. And he'd know why I'd say that. It's because I'm happy for him.

 

[Tambora]

that's an emotional response

Hardly.

not sure why you think i would argue against that :idunno:

yes, the rapist is responsible for his actions

His action is RAPE.
The one being raped is not the rapist.
YOU are.

but answer this: should a woman bear any responsibility for the choices she makes that put her in a position where rape is likely?

NO!

And if you just stand there and watch another man rape a woman that is at a Frat party passed out on the floor and scantily dressed, because you "feel" like she was asking for it; then you are just as much a pervert as the rapist is.

 

[annabenedetti]

seems a bit controlling, doesn't it? :chuckle:

Gee, I don't know, you were freaked out enough yesterday to spend the afternoon whining in the woodshed.

 

[ok doser]

I think this is a case by case topic, I do not think it is fair to try to take broad strokes with something like this. What things is she ignoring? Who else is involved? What other facts are relevant to the case study, etc.

this is a little more open than i'm finding on campus - they are reluctant to even consider that a woman should bear some of the blame for putting herself in a risky position

 

[kmoney]

to make you think

sorry about that

Think about what? That sometimes people make unwise decisions? So they do. Now what?

 

[chrysostom]

No. And he'd know why I'd say that. It's because I'm happy for him.

do you think he will come back?

 

[ok doser]

You are trying to broaden the topic to include evidence to make your original, specific example look more appealing. Another fallacy, in fact.

again, the topic is whether woman should bear any responsibility for the consequences that ensue from acting irresponsibly

 

[Tambora]

this is a little more open than i'm finding on campus - they are reluctant to even consider that a woman should bear some of the blame for putting herself in a risky position

Good for them!

They realize that rape is wrong no matter what the situation is.
There is NEVER a time when raping someone is not wrong.

 

[chrysostom]

Think about what? That sometimes people make unwise decisions? So they do. Now what?

now you are thinking

it's a great start

 

[ok doser]

His action is RAPE.

exactly! :thumb:

The one being raped is not the rapist.

exactly! :thumb:

YOU are.

I am what?

NO!

i disagree

And if you just stand there and watch another man rape a woman that is at a Frat party passed out on the floor and scantily dressed,

nobody has proposed this :idunno:

because you "feel" like she was asking for it;

nobody has proposed that she was "asking for it"

then you are just as much a pervert as the rapist is.

in your bizarre scenario that nobody other than you has proposed, yes

 

[bybee]

Good for them!

They realize that rape is wrong no matter what the situation is.
There is NEVER a time when raping someone is not wrong.

Amen Sister!

 

[annabenedetti]

do you think he will come back?

You didn't answer my question.

this is interesting
you start a provocative thread
and
then try to put limits on it

So? What part of that annoys you? That you can't hear more about the bad things that men have done to me in my life?

 

[ok doser]

They realize that rape is wrong no matter what the situation is.

There is NEVER a time when raping someone is not wrong.

tam - maybe you don't understand what's being discussed here

nobody is arguing that rape isn't wrong

 

[annabenedetti]

again, the topic is whether woman should bear any responsibility for the consequences that ensue from acting irresponsibly

The topic is that you said that women choose to be raped.

Defend it. You haven't, because you can't.