On Rape (the original statement)

[glorydaz]

And I am not absolving an adult for engaging in behavior which might put him/her at risk. We suffer our consequences for good or ill.
Consequences might mean victimization by an opportunist criminal.

There it is in a nutshell, folks.

I can't believe people are still arguing about this. You all know this deep down inside, and it even pops out on occasion. It's popped out right here for all to see. Will you see it, or will you keep going on and on and on refusing to admit that all of us are responsible for what we do?

 

[bybee]

There it is in a nutshell, folks.

I can't believe people are still arguing about this. You all know this deep down inside, and it even pops out on occasion. It's popped out right here for all to see. Will you see it, or will you keep going on and on and on refusing to admit that all of us are responsible for what we do?

It is right there for you to see also.
We are, EACH, responsible for what we do.
The rapist is responsible for rape.
One may be victimized by being foolish or not.

 

[LoneStar]

There it is in a nutshell, folks.

I can't believe people are still arguing about this. You all know this deep down inside, and it even pops out on occasion. It's popped out right here for all to see. Will you see it, or will you keep going on and on and on refusing to admit that all of us are responsible for what we do?

My glorious Warrior Woman! Wanna make a bet? wink

 

[ok doser]

All women are glorious.

even crystal mangum?

prostitute, stripper, murderer, arsonist, child abuser - who falsely accused three students of rape, putting their lives on hold


you must define "glorious" differently than I :nono:

 

[LoneStar]

falsely accused three students of rape

Duh. If no rape occurred, then there was no rape.

you must define "glorious" differently than I

You define a man differently than I.

 

[glorydaz]

It is right there for you to see also.
We are, EACH, responsible for what we do.
The rapist is responsible for rape.
One may be victimized by being foolish or not.

That has been said from the start....never once denied. I've seen it from the beginning of this thread, as did Angel.


Every wrong has it's own fault.

Raping is wrong.
Stripping teasing is wrong. At least most Christians believe so.

There is always enough guilt and fault to go around. We don't have to share in anyone else's guilt. The rapist didn't do a strip tease...he did MUCH MUCH worse. The stripper didn't rape, but that does not remove her own personal fault.

 

[glorydaz]

My glorious Warrior Woman! Wanna make a bet? wink

Who's the master? :chuckle:

 

[ok doser]

Duh. If no rape occurred, then there was no rape.

right, but even a claim of rape from a disgusting whore was enough to put those duke lacrosse players in the crosshairs for a year

as they deserved

You define a man differently than I.

i don't believe i offered a definition :idunno:

 

[LoneStar]

Who's the master? :chuckle:

Good girl. wink

 

[LoneStar]

right, but even a claim of rape from a disgusting whore was enough to put those duke lacrosse players in the crosshairs for a year

as they deserved

There was no rape, buddy. If all you want to do is change the goalpost, then buzz off.

i don't believe i offered a definition :idunno:

And? I don't believe I offered a definition for glorious women.

 

[ok doser]

No, not at all. Once a person says no then that's it, end of story. Doesn't matter if they've flirted with you all night, gave all the come on signals, stripped or even during intercourse itself. If they tell you to stop and you go ahead then you're raping that person and you do not 'get off the hook' for that, at all.

what if they're mute? :think:

 

[ok doser]

There was no rape, buddy. If all you want to do is change the goalpost, then buzz off.



And? I don't believe I offered a definition for glorious women.

not moving the goalpost

you said "All women are glorious", remember?

I don't think Crystal Mangum is "glorious".

your opinion may differ :idunno:

 

[LoneStar]

not moving the goalpost

Yes you did buddy. You tried to enter an example of a non-rape when the conversation is about rape, not non-rape. Geesh are you this dense all the time?

 

[Foxfire]

Men are free to openly advertise and accentuate their sexual magnetism with suggestions of prowess or ease of availability, not that that's virtuous in ANY sense; entirely without concern of being victimized or marginalized in light of their behavior. (prison populations excluded)

There seems to be no shortage of 'ladies of the evening' that will, for a price, ....

Whores are people, both men and women, who make an economic enterprise of consensual sex.

If you continually cast the victims of rape as being 'whores' that somehow deserved what they got, then I submit that you are willfully exacerbating the problem of rape culture.

 

[LoneStar]

Men are free to openly advertise and accentuate their sexual magnetism with suggestions of prowess or ease of availability, not that that's virtuous in ANY sense; entirely without concern of being victimized or marginalized in light of their behavior. (prison populations excluded)

There seems to be no shortage of 'ladies of the evening' that will, for a price, ....

Whores are people, both men and women, who make an economic enterprise of consensual sex.

If you continually cast the victims of rape as being 'whores' that somehow deserved what they got, then I submit that you are willfully exacerbating the problem of rape culture.

Well said. It seems the old 'boys will be boys' popularity is making a comeback.

 

[ok doser]

Yes you did buddy. You tried to enter an example of a non-rape when the conversation is about rape, not non-rape.

you said:

All women are glorious.

and you've danced away from it, so i'll ask again:

Do you consider Crystal Mangum glorious?

prostitute, stripper, murderer, arsonist, child abuser - who falsely accused three students of rape




how about it Lonestar?

Is she a "glorious woman"?

 

[ok doser]

If you continually cast the victims of rape as being 'whores' ...

not all of them

just the whores and those who act like whores

 

[LoneStar]

not all of them

just the whores and those who act like whores

What does one being a whore have to do with the other being a rapist? The reason rapists exist in the world is not because there are whores in the world. Eliminate every whore and you still have rapists. Now what? Eliminate all strippers and you still have rapists. Now what? Eliminate all tank tops and mini skirts and you still have rapists. Now what? Eliminate all drunk women and you still have rapists. Now what? How far are you going to keep going with this?

There is zero correlation between a rapist and what women do or wear. Apples and oranges. You want to make the apple partly to blame for the orange being an orange. Get out of town with that crap.

 

[ok doser]

There is zero correlation between a rapist and what women do....

then why do they spend so much effort here on campus advising the students on strategies to avoid being raped?



btw: congratulations: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4521058&postcount=104

 

[Quetzal]

What does one being a whore have to do with the other being a rapist? The reason rapists exist in the world is not because there are whores in the world. Eliminate every whore and you still have rapists. Now what? Eliminate all strippers and you still have rapists. Now what? Eliminate all tank tops and mini skirts and you still have rapists. Now what? Eliminate all drunk women and you still have rapists. Now what? How far are you going to keep going with this?

I look forward to seeing him try to weasel his way out of these questions. opcorn: