badp said:I think this guy is an opportunist fag who wants attention. He wouldn't have come out with this before Patsy Ramsey died because he knew she wouldn't have believed him -- obviously, since she herself was involved in the murder.
Bob Enyart said:John Mark Karr has confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey, and through Bob Enyart Live, I have strongly condemned the Ramseys for murdering their daughter, and the Boulder Colorado justice system for failing to convict them. If Karr’s confession is true, then I owe a deep apology to the Ramseys and Boulder, and I would make such an apology with more than just words, and realizing that there is not much I could do to undo the damage, at least to demonstrate sincerity, I would donate $1,000 of my own money to a charity supported by John Ramsey (one that is consistent with biblical truth), which amount would be painful to me and my family to give out.
If Karr’s confession is not true, then our position stands.
Some have said to us, “If Bob Enyart was in charge, the Ramseys would have been wrongly executed.” We can show this is false in two ways. Firstly, in my novel, The First Five Days, I present the KGOV.com view of how a biblical, Christian government should function, and how America should transition. In this novel, the brand new Christian government announces it will “execute all 3,000 death row inmates on the following day,” except that a review of every case had to be completed first, and “twenty-seven cases” had not yet been reviewed, thus in the novel (the world as we believe it should function), we would not even expedite execution of convicted men on death row until our judges reviewed the cases, because we did not sufficiently trust the existing system. Back to real life, regarding the Ramseys, of course, we would never execute someone on the strength of media reports. Secondly, the swift and painful death penalty is a significant deterrent (which we would impose including for child pornography crimes), so a huge percent of the ten-thousand plus annual U.S. murders would not occur, which could have resulted in JonBenet’s life being spared, and the Ramseys never being suspected.
Thanks,
-Bob Enyart
That's sort of been my take on this thing too.badp said:I think this guy is an opportunist fag who wants attention. He wouldn't have come out with this before Patsy Ramsey died because he knew she wouldn't have believed him -- obviously, since she herself was involved in the murder.
No.Granite said:If a six year old boy was murdered and a woman was arrested for the crime would any of you armchair psychologist/detective types assume she was a lesbian?
Knight said:No.
And why?
Because certain types of people behave in predicable ways.
It's called profiling, you should try it sometime. It helps you to stay ahead of the curve.
Good for you!Granite said::yawn:
Assuming Karr is gay says a lot more about you guys than it does about me. Whether he is or not, frankly, doesn't even matter.
Yes, but I'm anxious, and the wheels of American "justice" are square, and and we stopped using axles over the last few decades.Freedom Train said:I think Bob's post shows strength of character but I agree it may not be warranted at this time. Just because a suspect was nabbed the judicial process must occur and like others I am not convinced this fellow is the culprit as of yet. Let the wheeels of justice turn and we'll see.
So, it's okay to publicly condemn someone, but not to publicly apologize to them? As if people weren't aware of the promotion value of your condemnation, but would pick it up in your apology? Perhaps, just perhaps, such an apology could be crafted in such a way that it is just that, an apology, without the CYA and self-promotional tone of your initial post? For sure you'd better wait until more is known about Karr and his role, if any, in all this, because you surely won't be able to avoid the "I'm sorry for smearing you, but ONLY if Karr is telling the truth!" bit!Bob Enyart said:Granite, that's actually a good idea, except it has a major downside. It would be seen as just a shameless promotion, since the ad would include my name, and who I am.
Armor not needed (here).
aharvey said:So, it's okay to publicly condemn someone, but not to publicly apologize to them? As if people weren't aware of the promotion value of your condemnation, but would pick it up in your apology? Perhaps, just perhaps, such an apology could be crafted in such a way that it is just that, an apology, without the CYA and self-promotional tone of your initial post? For sure you'd better wait until more is known about Karr and his role, if any, in all this, because you surely won't be able to avoid the "I'm sorry for smearing you, but ONLY if Karr is telling the truth!" bit!
That's precisely what would happen. With those who wish to criticise Bob's actions, no matter what he does it will be spun to Bob's disadvantage. Sort of like your post does, for example.aharvey said:So, it's okay to publicly condemn someone, but not to publicly apologize to them? As if people weren't aware of the promotion value of your condemnation, but would pick it up in your apology?
See what I mean?! There is no such tone, you want there to be a tone and so you read the tone into it. Nothing Bob does will be right in your eyes - nothing.Perhaps, just perhaps, such an apology could be crafted in such a way that it is just that, an apology, without the CYA and self-promotional tone of your initial post?
The whole fact that he's come out at the first sign that he might have been wrong before such is confirmed is strong evidence (proof as far as I am concerned) that his intentions are good and his apologetic attitude genuine.For sure you'd better wait until more is known about Karr and his role, if any, in all this, because you surely won't be able to avoid the "I'm sorry for smearing you, but ONLY if Karr is telling the truth!" bit!
Convenient dismissal, but wrong. I genuinely do not understand how someone can justify publicly condemning someone but not publicly apologizing when that condemnation was in fact unjustified. It's a question I ask of anyone who publicly condemned the Ramseys (and in case you hadn't noticed, Bob E wasn't the only one). I'm not surprised at Bob's hesitancy. It's against human nature to admit this kind of blunder, and it's certainly human nature, to, even when apologizing, spin it to minimize the damage one actually did, and it's even human nature to rationalize why one declined to step up to the plate.death2impiety said:He'd be wrong to you no matter what direction he took. The heathen response to this thread isn't surprising.
Knight said:Good for you!
Why are you so obsessed over how others use common sense?
aharvey said:Convenient dismissal, but wrong. I genuinely do not understand how someone can justify publicly condemning someone but not publicly apologizing when that condemnation was in fact unjustified. It's a question I ask of anyone who publicly condemned the Ramseys (and in case you hadn't noticed, Bob E wasn't the only one). I'm not surprised at Bob's hesitancy. It's against human nature to admit this kind of blunder, and it's certainly human nature, to, even when apologizing, spin it to minimize the damage one actually did, and it's even human nature to rationalize why one declined to step up to the plate.
Uh... did you forget Karr was planning on getting a sex change operation? Thus making his homosexuality not only "likely" but positively real.Granite said:"Common sense" tells me that the guy has a thing for underage women, making his "homosexuality" kind of unlikely.
Knight said:Uh... did you forget Karr was planning on getting a sex change operation? Thus making his homosexuality not only "likely" but positively real.
:rotfl:Outlaw said:At the very least, he's a lesbian.
I have to agree with aharvey on this one. Recalling some of the lyrics from the closing moments of many of the BEL shows - “Do right, don’t stand on fences. Now what ever you do, do right, with all of your might, do right, do right.”Bob Enyart said:Granite, that's actually a good idea, except it has a major downside. It would be seen as just a shameless promotion, since the ad would include my name, and who I am.