On Bob Enyart's Condemnation of John & Patsy Ramsey

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Bob Enyart

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John Mark Karr has confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey, and through Bob Enyart Live, I have strongly condemned the Ramseys for murdering their daughter, and the Boulder Colorado justice system for failing to convict them. If Karr’s confession is true, then I owe a deep apology to the Ramseys and Boulder, and I would make such an apology with more than just words, and realizing that there is not much I could do to undo the damage, at least to demonstrate sincerity, I would donate $1,000 of my own money to a charity supported by John Ramsey (one that is consistent with biblical truth), which amount would be painful to me and my family to give out.

If Karr’s confession is not true, then our position stands.

Some have said to us, “If Bob Enyart was in charge, the Ramseys would have been wrongly executed.” We can show this is false in two ways. Firstly, in my novel, The First Five Days, I present the KGOV.com view of how a biblical, Christian government should function, and how America should transition. In this novel, the brand new Christian government announces it will “execute all 3,000 death row inmates on the following day,” except that a review of every case had to be completed first, and “twenty-seven cases” had not yet been reviewed, thus in the novel (the world as we believe it should function), we would not even expedite execution of convicted men on death row until our judges reviewed the cases, because we did not sufficiently trust the existing system. Back to real life, regarding the Ramseys, of course, we would never execute someone on the strength of media reports. Secondly, the swift and painful death penalty is a significant deterrent (which we would impose including for child pornography crimes), so a huge percent of the ten-thousand plus annual U.S. murders would not occur, which could have resulted in JonBenet’s life being spared, and the Ramseys never being suspected.

Thanks,

-Bob Enyart
 

Granite

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How about spending the money on ads in newspapers issuing a public apology for the additional pain you brought the family especially exacerbated by your position as an ordained minister of the gospel?

Just a thought.

(Grabs a helmet, ducks and covers.)
 

Bob Enyart

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Granite, that's actually a good idea, except it has a major downside. It would be seen as just a shameless promotion, since the ad would include my name, and who I am.

Armor not needed (here).
 

hitek357

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As an outsider (not an actual judge of this case in our current system or in a system championed by Bob) I have my own stand. If I HAD been a judge, and given only what information most of us had from the media, I believe I would have pronounced the parents guilty of murder. If Karr's confession holds true, then I would have to issue a statement much like Bob's above, and the government would have to offer some sort of compensation to the family after the wrongful executions of the parents (AND the execution of Karr).

I'm waiting to see how Karr or anything we discover from him can explain the evidence that points to the parents.
 

Jefferson

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Granite said:
How about spending the money on ads in newspapers issuing a public apology for the additional pain you brought the family especially exacerbated by your position as an ordained minister of the gospel?

Just a thought.

(Grabs a helmet, ducks and covers.)
You don't think he'd do that? Why not? Secondly, if he did people like you would just accuse him of self-promotion (ie. "Look at how biblically humble I am everyone! If you would like to be pastored by such a godly man as I, then you might like to know that our church meets every Sunday at 9:30 am...")

Right Granite?
 

Granite

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Bob Enyart said:
Granite, that's actually a good idea, except it has a major downside. It would be seen as just a shameless promotion, since the ad would include my name, and who I am.

Armor not needed (here).

:think:

Not necessarily, although I can see how some folks could take it that way. All right, fair enough.

Here's another thought: public disavowal of The Clue That Breaks the Case and a termination of all live web links leading to it.

(I know, I know; I'm pushing my luck.):chuckle:
 

hitek357

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As an outsider (not an actual judge of this case in our current system or in a system championed by Bob) I have my own stand. If I HAD been a judge, and given only what information most of us had from the media, I believe I would have pronounced the parents guilty of murder. If Karr's confession holds true, then I would have to issue a statement much like Bob's above, and the government would have to offer some sort of compensation to the family after the wrongful executions of the parents (AND the execution of Karr).

I'm waiting to see how Karr or anything we discover from him can explain the evidence that STILL points to the parents.
 

Granite

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Jefferson said:
You don't think he'd do that? Why not? Secondly, if he did people like you would just accuse him of self-promotion (ie. "Look at how biblically humble I am everyone! If you would like to be pastored by such a godly man as I, then you might like to know that our church meets every Sunday at 9:30 am...")

Right Granite?

Okay Jeff, take a chill pill. I didn't say he wouldn't, I was suggesting it as an hypoethetical way to come forward in the community. "I'm a minister; I speak as a man of God; and I have repeatedly accused the Ramseys of committing the most heinous crime imaginable while I lacked full possession of the facts and rushed to judgment. I hereby offer my sincerest apologies and prayers to the Ramseys and pray for vindication and justice in this matter. May Patty and JonBenet rest in peace."

That is something along the lines of what I imagined. More contrition and less a commercial. Thanks for assuming, Jeff. Charming attitude you have, as usual.
 

hitek357

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BTW, I don't believe God would have us execute anyone/everyone who confesses to The Murder based only on his confession, although the confessor would be one of the "two or three witnesses."

Why don't we do as Granite and others suggested for ten years prior to Karr's "confession." Let's wait and see what the evidence says. At least let's not say that we don't believe the Ramsey's are guilty but Karr MUST BE...(because he confessed!).
 

Nathon Detroit

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I think I will merge this thread with the other. It's too confusing to have more than one thread on the exact same topic.

DONE
 

Clete

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Bob Enyart said:
John Mark Karr has confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey, and through Bob Enyart Live, I have strongly condemned the Ramseys for murdering their daughter, and the Boulder Colorado justice system for failing to convict them. If Karr’s confession is true, then I owe a deep apology to the Ramseys and Boulder, and I would make such an apology with more than just words, and realizing that there is not much I could do to undo the damage, at least to demonstrate sincerity, I would donate $1,000 of my own money to a charity supported by John Ramsey (one that is consistent with biblical truth), which amount would be painful to me and my family to give out.

If Karr’s confession is not true, then our position stands.

Some have said to us, “If Bob Enyart was in charge, the Ramseys would have been wrongly executed.” We can show this is false in two ways. Firstly, in my novel, The First Five Days, I present the KGOV.com view of how a biblical, Christian government should function, and how America should transition. In this novel, the brand new Christian government announces it will “execute all 3,000 death row inmates on the following day,” except that a review of every case had to be completed first, and “twenty-seven cases” had not yet been reviewed, thus in the novel (the world as we believe it should function), we would not even expedite execution of convicted men on death row until our judges reviewed the cases, because we did not sufficiently trust the existing system. Back to real life, regarding the Ramseys, of course, we would never execute someone on the strength of media reports. Secondly, the swift and painful death penalty is a significant deterrent (which we would impose including for child pornography crimes), so a huge percent of the ten-thousand plus annual U.S. murders would not occur, which could have resulted in JonBenet’s life being spared, and the Ramseys never being suspected.

Thanks,

-Bob Enyart

I could be wrong here but I'm not sure that there is anything you need to apologize for. What did you do except weigh the available evidence and come to the only rational conclusion available to you? It's not as though you made some snap judgment and went looking for something to substantiate your accusation. Anyone who read anything you've written on the subject or said about it in public should know, unless they are biased for some reason, that your intent was to teach people what justice looks like and doing so in a provocative and culturally relevant manner.

While I totally understand that the Ramsey's are anything but unbiased or emotionally removed enough from the situation for this to be the case, but if what they want is real justice, it would seem their proper response to you should be something along the lines of, "Well we know he's come to the wrong and quite painful conclusion but his heart seems to be in the right place! At least he's not like some of these slime ball nut cases who just instantly assume its a family member for no reason."

Making some sort of statement, whether to them personally or publicly or both, acknowledging you were wrong (assuming that you were) and that you recant based on previously unavailable information is one thing but acting as though you've done something morally wrong is quite another. I don't understand what your giving them $1000.00 would accomplish.

If I'm off base here please explain; I'll happily take your correction.

Resting in Him,
Clete
 

standup4God

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Just a quick observation:

I happened to turn on Fox News not 35 minutes ago and they were reporting that John Mark Karr has confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey in front of several people and cameras. He was also reported not to be shy about interviewing about it. I immediately turned over to CNN and at that EXACT moment they were saying that Karr "wasn't saying much" and it's "uncertain" if he actually had "anything" to do with JonBenet!

Even though I know the liberals want to cater to murderers and celebrate them this is still surprising to me. Even before the evidence is weighed the liberals are trying to get this guy off!

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Nathon Detroit

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This guy isn't the killer.

His wife has every reason to admit if Karr could have been involved but even she says he didn't do it.
 

Jefferson

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standup4God said:
Just a quick observation:

I happened to turn on Fox News not 35 minutes ago and they were reporting that John Mark Karr has confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey in front of several people and cameras. He was also reported not to be shy about interviewing about it. I immediately turned over to CNN and at that EXACT moment they were saying that Karr "wasn't saying much" and it's "uncertain" if he actually had "anything" to do with JonBenet!

Even though I know the liberals want to cater to murderers and celebrate them this is still surprising to me. Even before the evidence is weighed the liberals are trying to get this guy off!

-standup4God
http://www.myspace.com/mandatory_solitude
I'm not one to defend the liberal media but I don't think CNN said anything wrong. CNN was right to say Karr wasn't saying much. He wasn't. He didn't provide any details at all, just a confession. CNN was also right to say it's "uncertain" if he did it. It is uncertain because this could be a false confession. Karr could be another John Hinkley (who thought he was John Lennon). Karr could be identifying himself with whoever the killer is.
 

Granite

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Granite is taking all these things and pondering them in his hardened heart...

:think:
 

allsmiles

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Bob Enyart said:
Granite, that's actually a good idea, except it has a major downside. It would be seen as just a shameless promotion, since the ad would include my name, and who I am.

Armor not needed (here).

Your opening post wasn't a shameless promotion?

Why don't you stop talking about people and interjecting yourself into business that isn't yours? The problem of eating foot for dinner would cease to be and threads like this wouldn't take up space on the active list.
 
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