On a practical level: How to deal with Islam in the US
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Same as we do with all others. Freedom of religion and all.
When someone (regardless of religion) commits a crime or act of terrorism, they are judged and tried as individuals.
beameup
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We are waiting for another Arab-Israeli War. We expect Israel to win decisively over all the surrounding Islamic countries and greatly expand Israel's borders. Put them to shame and humiliate them so that they will see that Allah is a false god. Thereafter Allah and Islam will wither and fade away and cease to be a problem. We are counting on the IDF to accomplish this soon!
When your sons are in the IDF, you may think differently about these hare-brained ideas.
ah...and what exactly is an "American"?
Interplanner
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This misses the point of known, validated militance. The Muslim Brotherhood wants to smash the US constitution any way it can, because it conflicts with 'revealed scripture' (theirs). Get it? You have not addressed the most vital point.
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the question is not about race; it is mostly about the violent surahs of the Qu'ran and about its treatment of women. There really are no other questions that matter to our constitution.
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white anglo-saxon protestant, of course
Quite a long list of people you'll have to deport:
Blacks
Hispanics
Jews
Asians
Catholics
(apologies to all those that I missed)
Doesn't sound like the US I know...
ok doser
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Chair...
Islam as a ideology must bring stringent surveillance and moderation from outside forces that would be fair and secure.
Individuals should be granted religious rights, while the majority must be treated as a political entity that is self serving and malicious towards peaceful cohabitation.
Theocratic supporters of Islam must be recognized as terrorists with an ill agenda.
Religion never defines a human being, but how they respect the human rights of their fellow citizens. As far as Israel and the US are concerned... Islam must be called for what it is... while individuals that discount the violent teachings and attempt to peacefully integrate must be respected... but monitored for possible ties to terrorism or violence incitement towards western principles of cohabitation.
Tolerance is fine... but adherence to progressive countries like Israel and the US that seek to protect the lives of all citizens rights to the pursuit of happiness... as long as human rights aren't encroached on... must occur. In other words... safety of all people of all creeds must be watched out for, over the whims of a violent... political war machine. Mob rule should also be protected against. He man rights should always be elevated... but violence and intolerance should never be recognized as religion.
Incidentally... Jesus represents dignity to all and commanded forgiveness and Live. Those that are terrorist and Proclaim to be Christians... are not Christians.
Those who are terrorists and Islamic are only following the Hadith, Mohammed and Allah.
Deception is a common tactic of Islam for infiltration... and this too must be known!
People seeking asylum from Islamic terror must be acknowledged... but evaluated an monitored for possible ties to a greater Islamic agenda.
No Islamic Genocide should be prescribed... but prevention of Political, Theocratic Islam should be thwarted as long as possible.
Islam will not fall until the true Meshiach returns.
- EE
oatmeal
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Preach the word
Interplanner
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EE:
isn't there an unintended double negative in your line here:
No Islamic Genocide should be prescribed... but prevention of Political, Theocratic Islam should be thwarted as long as possible.
And I can't think of anything less clear than the way you have used the word 'prescribed' there. Come again.
IP... Please see [MENTION=17372]jzeidler[/MENTION] 's OP and read their article. It is excellent and they are on the money!
Good article! Excellent point! To the others that do not understand what you are saying...
I answered [MENTION=5868]chair[/MENTION] on this and will drop the quote. "Love thy Neighbor" includes protecting people from an "Islamic equivalent" of the KKK. If you deny the millions of human rights violations that are beyond comprehension by Islam and try to stifle the true implications of this... you aren't loving your negbor either.
To further support the wisdom in your article that is against ignorant reception of Islam... I add this on Taqiyya...
Deception, Lying
and Taqiyya
Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?
Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
Quran
Quran (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Quran (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..
Quran (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway. (The next verse refers only to those who have a personal agreement with Muhammad as individuals - see Ibn Kathir (vol 4, p 49)
Quran (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who had to "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.
Quran (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"
Quran (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)
Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
Hadith and Sira
Sahih Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).
Sahih Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.
Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permitted in order to deceive an "enemy."
Sahih Muslim (32:6303) - "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."
Sahih Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered.
From Islamic Law:
Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression... (See the Permissible Lying section on the Sharia page for more)
"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie."
Reference... Religion of Peace . com
All said... here is my reply...
This article and OP from JDzr... and my response is more clear on the mixing of Law and Grace in this matter. Civil Law... human grace... realism with response to known ideals.
beameup
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Your future destiny is written in the Tanakh! Psalm 83
Just like in the good-old-days, Israel triumphant in spite of the odds.
Do the world a favor, allow YHWH to destroy Allah and make Islam a disgrace.
Free the oppressed Arabs from their demonic beliefs.
Face it, Israel needs more living-space and the entire "west bank" rightfully belongs to Israel. Besides, you have 6 million more Jews in diaspora that need to return.
the asians can stay
Why are asians an exception?
And how exactly will you get rid of the rest? The police will knock on their doors, and tell them to get into the waiting bus? If they refuse? And what if their "original" countries don't want them? How about people of mixed ancestry?
Like I said: you want to risk your son's lives on this messianic scheme- go ahead. Don't risk my sons lives.
It is best to take Biblical verses of this sort as predictions- not instructions.
Ah, like lebensraum.
The German concept of Lebensraum (German pronunciation: [ˈleːbənsˌʁaʊm] ( listen), English: "living space") refers to policies and practices of settler colonialism which proliferated in Germany from the 1890s to the 1940s. The most extreme form of this ideology was supported by the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Nazi Germany until the end of World War II.