On a practical level: How to deal with Islam in the US

[beameup]

Ah, like lebensraum.

The German concept of Lebensraum (German pronunciation: [ˈleːbənsˌʁaʊm] ( listen), English: "living space") refers to policies and practices of settler colonialism which proliferated in Germany from the 1890s to the 1940s. The most extreme form of this ideology was supported by the Nazi Party (NSDAP) in Nazi Germany until the end of World War II.​

It is you that are ethnocentric, xenophobic, and want to establish a Theocracy.
So, YHWH has now given you a "second chance" to establish a Theocracy with a Messiah-King. So reconquer the land, just like in "the good old days".

PS: Don't deny that there are bumper stickers in Israel that say:

"Attack us again, we need more land"

 

[chair]

It is you that are ethnocentric, xenophobic, and want to establish a Theocracy.
So, YHWH has now given you a "second chance" to establish a Theocracy with a Messiah-King. So reconquer the land, just like in "the good old days".

PS: Don't deny that there are bumper stickers in Israel that say:

I'm what? How do you know all that?
I haven't seen bumper stickers in Israel in ages. They used to be quite popular. The only ones I've seen in the past few years say things like "42.2" or "M2V" (a relay race).

I have never seen one that says what you quoted above. In Hebrew or in English.

 

[beameup]

I'm what? How do you know all that?
I haven't seen bumper stickers in Israel in ages. They used to be quite popular. The only ones I've seen in the past few years say things like "42.2" or "M2V" (a relay race).

I have never seen one that says what you quoted above. In Hebrew or in English.

Look, your big mistake was not annexing the entire "west bank" following the 6-day War.
However, YHWH will give you a "second chance" in the near future (for example Psalm 83).
Only 1/2 of the world's Jews have migrated back to the "Holy Land", so you need an
incentive for more to return to their "roots". Historically, Israel has fought against
peoples in Canaan that worshipped false gods. Your opportunity will come to fight against
Allah. You must thoroughly humiliate and bring everlasting shame to your enemies...
just like "in the good old days" of yore.

 

[chair]

Look, your big mistake was not annexing the entire "west bank" following the 6-day War.
However, YHWH will give you a "second chance" in the near future (for example Psalm 83).
Only 1/2 of the world's Jews have migrated back to the "Holy Land", so you need an
incentive for more to return to their "roots". Historically, Israel has fought against
peoples in Canaan that worshipped false gods. Your opportunity will come to fight against
Allah. You must thoroughly humiliate and bring everlasting shame to your enemies...
just like "in the good old days" of yore.

I think you know where you can go. You are an insane war-monger, willing to have us fight to the last drop of our blood to fulfill your fantasies.

I happened to be in a military cemetery yesterday. The one in the photo. There are rows of graves of those who died in the 1967 war, a war which was considered a clear victory by any standard. We have enough wars without your manure advice.

 

[beameup]

I think you know where you can go. You are an insane war-monger, willing to have us fight to the last drop of our blood to fulfill your fantasies.

So, what are you going to do when you are attacked? Lay down your weapons and hold up your hands? :rotfl:
It's coming sooner-or-later, you are surrounded by countries that deep-down want your annihilation.
Wake up man, read the Word of the LORD

For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones. They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. - Psalm 83:2-4

 

[chair]

So, what are you going to do when you are attacked? Lay down your weapons and hold up your hands? :rotfl:..

You are a complete idiot. There is a difference between defending yourself and going out to conquer your neighbors. In case you haven't noticed, we defend ourselves. I've been in the IDF. My sons are in the reserves. What's your problem? The Jews don't want to fulfill your fantasies?

 

[beameup]

You are a complete idiot. There is a difference between defending yourself and going out to conquer your neighbors. In case you haven't noticed, we defend ourselves. I've been in the IDF. My sons are in the reserves. What's your problem? The Jews don't want to fulfill your fantasies?

Who said anything about going out to conquer your enemies, idiot.
The WORD OF YHWH will be fulfilled and there is nothing you can do about it, secularist.

Just make sure you do the job thoroughly and completely, the next time you are attacked. The whole world is depending on your total success!

hint: Mecca would be a good nuke target

 

[chair]

Who said anything about going out to conquer your enemies, idiot.
The WORD OF YHWH will be fulfilled and there is nothing you can do about it, secularist.

Just make sure you do the job thoroughly and completely, the next time you are attacked. The whole world is depending on your total success!

hint: Mecca would be a good nuke target

Whatever.
Have a nice day.

 

[chair]

Chair...

Islam as a ideology must bring stringent surveillance and moderation from outside forces that would be fair and secure.

Individuals should be granted religious rights, while the majority must be treated as a political entity that is self serving and malicious towards peaceful cohabitation.

Theocratic supporters of Islam must be recognized as terrorists with an ill agenda.

Religion never defines a human being, but how they respect the human rights of their fellow citizens. As far as Israel and the US are concerned... Islam must be called for what it is... while individuals that discount the violent teachings and attempt to peacefully integrate must be respected... but monitored for possible ties to terrorism or violence incitement towards western principles of cohabitation.

Tolerance is fine... but adherence to progressive countries like Israel and the US that seek to protect the lives of all citizens rights to the pursuit of happiness... as long as human rights aren't encroached on... must occur. In other words... safety of all people of all creeds must be watched out for, over the whims of a violent... political war machine. Mob rule should also be protected against. He man rights should always be elevated... but violence and intolerance should never be recognized as religion.

Incidentally... Jesus represents dignity to all and commanded forgiveness and Live. Those that are terrorist and Proclaim to be Christians... are not Christians.

Those who are terrorists and Islamic are only following the Hadith, Mohammed and Allah.

Deception is a common tactic of Islam for infiltration... and this too must be known!

People seeking asylum from Islamic terror must be acknowledged... but evaluated an monitored for possible ties to a greater Islamic agenda.

No Islamic Genocide should be prescribed... but prevention of Political, Theocratic Islam should be thwarted as long as possible.

Islam will not fall until the true Meshiach returns.

- EE

So, in a nutshell: preserve individual rights, but combat terrorism and keep an eye out for extreme Islamic organizations?

 

[kiwimacahau]

IP... Please see @jzeidler 's OP and read their article. It is excellent and they are on the money!



Good article! Excellent point! To the others that do not understand what you are saying...

I answered @chair on this and will drop the quote. "Love thy Neighbor" includes protecting people from an "Islamic equivalent" of the KKK. If you deny the millions of human rights violations that are beyond comprehension by Islam and try to stifle the true implications of this... you aren't loving your negbor either.

To further support the wisdom in your article that is against ignorant reception of Islam... I add this on Taqiyya...


Deception, Lying
and Taqiyya

Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."
There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.
Quran

Quran (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.
Quran (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves" against danger, meaning that there are times when a Muslim should appear friendly to non-Muslims, even though they should not feel that way..

Quran (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway. (The next verse refers only to those who have a personal agreement with Muhammad as individuals - see Ibn Kathir (vol 4, p 49)

Quran (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who had to "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Quran (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"

Quran (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
Hadith and Sira

Sahih Bukhari (52:269) - "The Prophet said, 'War is deceit.'" The context of this is thought to be the murder of Usayr ibn Zarim and his thirty unarmed men by Muhammad's men after he "guaranteed" them safe passage (see Additional Notes below).

Sahih Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

Sahih Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permitted in order to deceive an "enemy."

Sahih Muslim (32:6303) - "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."

Sahih Bukhari (50:369) - Recounts the murder of a poet, Ka'b bin al-Ashraf, at Muhammad's insistence. The men who volunteered for the assassination used dishonesty to gain Ka'b's trust, pretending that they had turned against Muhammad. This drew the victim out of his fortress, whereupon he was brutally slaughtered.

From Islamic Law:

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression... (See the Permissible Lying section on the Sharia page for more)

"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie."

Reference... Religion of Peace . com

All said... here is my reply...



This article and OP from JDzr... and my response is more clear on the mixing of Law and Grace in this matter. Civil Law... human grace... realism with response to known ideals.

Taqiyyah does not work that way.

Taqiyya is very much misunderstood. It is a practice that was begun by the Shi'ite during an era when there was much hostilities between Shi'a and Sunni and the Shi'a were deeply persecuted. It became acceptable among the Shi'ite to profess to be Sunni when living in a Sunni Nation. Later it grew to include any instance that contrubuted to the growth of Shi'ism.
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According to Shari'ah, lying is not permitted except in specific cases which do not lead to loss of rights, bloodshed or slander of people’s honor, etc., but which concern saving lives, reconciling between people, or creating love between husband and wife.

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We can say, without doubt that, lying is one of the most evil characteristics, of which all religions and systems of ethics warn against and which man's innate common sense (Fitrah) agrees that it is wrong. Any who possess normal chivalry and sound reason would be obliged to same the same. Truthfulness is one of the pillars on which the moral survival of the world depends. It is the foundation of praiseworthy characteristics, the foundation of prophethood, the result of taqwah. Were it not for truthfulness, the rulings of all divinely-revealed laws would collapse. Acquiring the characteristic of lying is akin to shedding one's humanity, because speaking is an exclusively human trait. (Bareeqah Mahmoodiyyah, Muhammad al-Khaadimi, 3/183

 

[chair]

Taqiyyah does not work that way.

Taqiyya is very much misunderstood. It is a practice that was begun by the Shi'ite during an era when there was much hostilities between Shi'a and Sunni and the Shi'a were deeply persecuted. It became acceptable among the Shi'ite to profess to be Sunni when living in a Sunni Nation. Later it grew to include any instance that contrubuted to the growth of Shi'ism.
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According to Shari'ah, lying is not permitted except in specific cases which do not lead to loss of rights, bloodshed or slander of people’s honor, etc., but which concern saving lives, reconciling between people, or creating love between husband and wife.

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We can say, without doubt that, lying is one of the most evil characteristics, of which all religions and systems of ethics warn against and which man's innate common sense (Fitrah) agrees that it is wrong. Any who possess normal chivalry and sound reason would be obliged to same the same. Truthfulness is one of the pillars on which the moral survival of the world depends. It is the foundation of praiseworthy characteristics, the foundation of prophethood, the result of taqwah. Were it not for truthfulness, the rulings of all divinely-revealed laws would collapse. Acquiring the characteristic of lying is akin to shedding one's humanity, because speaking is an exclusively human trait. (Bareeqah Mahmoodiyyah, Muhammad al-Khaadimi, 3/183

How a religion is practiced is dependent on how its adherents interpret their holy texts. Jews don't practice "an eye for an eye", Christians eat pork. Muslims- well, it depends which Muslim. There are far too many extreme Muslims these days, and they have too much power within their own societies.

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

So, in a nutshell: preserve individual rights, but combat terrorism and keep an eye out for extreme Islamic organizations?

Exactly! And unfortunately... because of the power, size and devastation of the terror side... the Eye must be fearlessly invasive! A silent Muslim that is borderline and hiding a brother of terror is aiding the issue.

All respect,

EE

 

[Evil.Eye.<(I)>]

2 major points...

State Dept.: Assad using crematorium to hide atrocities - CNN
https://apple.news/AaRDwSsA8QSO8UTgRH9hQkg

This article shows Islamic Majorities answer to Non-Muslims and "Moderates".

The other matter is to run this simple search in Google... this is something that must be globally discussed...

https://www.google.com/search?q=mos...j0j7&hl=en-US&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Sometimes... Human rights advocacy must encroach on the rights of a group that is prone to atrocities towards others. Their rights must remain intact... but their privacy has to be compromised.

 

[chair]

Exactly! And unfortunately... because of the power, size and devastation of the terror side... the Eye must be fearlessly invasive! A silent Muslim that is borderline and hiding a brother of terror is aiding the issue.

All respect,

EE

Sounds like what happens here. Not an easy balance to strike...