ECT Omnipresence of Jesus
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om·ni·pres·ent
[om-nuh-prez-uhnt] Show IPA
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present everywhere at the same time: the omnipresent God.
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1600–10; < Medieval Latin omnipraesent- (stem of omnipraesēns ), equivalent to Latin omni- omni- + praesent- present1
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om·ni·pres·ence, noun
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Omnipresent, ubiquitous refer to the quality of being everywhere. Omnipresent emphasizes in a lofty or dignified way the power, usually divine, of being present everywhere at the same time, as though all-enveloping: Divine law is omnipresent. Ubiquitous is applied to that which seems to appear in many and all sorts of places, or in an undignified or humorous way is “all over the place,” often when unwanted: A bore seems to be ubiquitous.
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Omnipresence of Jesus
I already agreed that Yeshua was not omniscient before His resurrection because He placed a self limitation on Himself while in human form.
But I do not agree with that as being the case now. And your definition of omnipresence requires too much faith for you to believe even for the Father?
I already agreed that Yeshua was not omniscient before His resurrection because He placed a self limitation on Himself while in human form.
But I do not agree with that as being the case now. And your definition of omnipresence requires too much faith for you to believe even for the Father?
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You just say that Jesus is now on Heaven sitting at the right hand of God.
You also say that Jesus will return in clouds of glory
You are contradicting yourself when you say that Jesus is omnipresent. If he is omnipresent, he is not now on Heaven but everywhere, including Earth; and that makes nonsense the return to where he already is.
The omnipresence doctrine sucks and only create more problems that makes impossible ALL other doctrines.
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Dyophysitism... a denial of the human limited presence of Jesus
eameece
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Not really.
Jesus was in certain places at certain times. But what did Jesus SAY?
"I and the Father are One"
"Before Abraham was, I AM"
Jesus was/is divine and eternal. Jesus was/is God. God is omnipresent. Therefore, Jesus was/is omnipresent.
Omnipresence is the nature of God; it IS God. If Jesus is God, then Jesus is omnipresent. And Jesus can also be human and in particular places, just as God is.
Hi and the believer is INDWELT by God the FATHER , ePH 4:6 , " and in you ALL ."
#2 , The believers is INDWELT by Christ , Gal 2:20 , " Christ LIVETH " in you , where LIVETH is min the Present tense of Continuous actions and will never depart from us , or OSAS !!
#3 , And Rom 8:9 where THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU !!
There are more verses that deal with God BEING every where !!
dan p
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Thanks
Jesus indwel ONLY in christians. Jesus does NOT indewel in not-chirstians. Jesus is not omnipresent, since he only indewl in SOME people and NOT in all.
Tnaks again
JESUS IS NOT OMNIPRESENT.
Drew1200
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I didn't bother reading through all 22 pages, but I'm sure somewhere in there somebody gave a good answer. Still, I'd like to give my thoughts.
This is really a question of the Trinity more than it is of Jesus himself. If all members of the Trinity share all of the same attributes, then yes, Jesus would be omnipresent. Since we know God is omnipresent as the Holy Spirit, then if they are all the same, God would be present as the Son as well. However, there's some scripture that clearly disproves this idea. It is, of course, Jesus' statement in Matthew 24:36/Mark 13:32. In these verses, Jesus states that there is something which He does not know, meaning that He Himself is not omniscient. Obviously, that attribute does belong to God the Father, which means that there are attributes like that which are not necessarily shared between all Members of the Trinity.
This reasoning leads me to conclude that this method of thinking provides no evidence towards Jesus being omnipresent, yet it in no way gives any evidence towards Him not being omnipresent. Just because there are attributes They do not share does not necessarily mean that They do not all share this specific attribute. Ultimately, my conclusion is pretty much every conclusion you come to when dealing with the Trinity: we really don't know. Since our logic is obviously incorrect in this situation, then there's no reliable way to conclude anything other than what scripture clearly states. Being that this doesn't seem to have any passages clearly supporting it (at least none that I know of), then I can come to no solid conclusion about it.
This is really a question of the Trinity more than it is of Jesus himself. If all members of the Trinity share all of the same attributes, then yes, Jesus would be omnipresent. Since we know God is omnipresent as the Holy Spirit, then if they are all the same, God would be present as the Son as well. However, there's some scripture that clearly disproves this idea. It is, of course, Jesus' statement in Matthew 24:36/Mark 13:32. In these verses, Jesus states that there is something which He does not know, meaning that He Himself is not omniscient. Obviously, that attribute does belong to God the Father, which means that there are attributes like that which are not necessarily shared between all Members of the Trinity.
This reasoning leads me to conclude that this method of thinking provides no evidence towards Jesus being omnipresent, yet it in no way gives any evidence towards Him not being omnipresent. Just because there are attributes They do not share does not necessarily mean that They do not all share this specific attribute. Ultimately, my conclusion is pretty much every conclusion you come to when dealing with the Trinity: we really don't know. Since our logic is obviously incorrect in this situation, then there's no reliable way to conclude anything other than what scripture clearly states. Being that this doesn't seem to have any passages clearly supporting it (at least none that I know of), then I can come to no solid conclusion about it.
0scar
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Threre is not a single verse satating that Jesus were omnipresent. At the most, there is some fw verses stating that Jesus can be in more than a place at the same time; but none stating that he is in every place.
Since there is not any scriptural support at all, there is not any reason for us to say that Jesus were omnipresent.
At the other hand there is too many, way too many verses denaying the supposed omnipresence of Jesus. The scriptural evidence stating the non-omnipresence of Jesus is so abundant and overwelming that insisting in his supposed omnipresence is a sin.
1 - there is not any scriptural support for Jesus omnipresence.
2 - there is abundant scriptural evidence of Jesus non-omnipresence.
3 - same ocurres in reference with omniscience and omnipotence
Since there is not any scriptural support at all, there is not any reason for us to say that Jesus were omnipresent.
At the other hand there is too many, way too many verses denaying the supposed omnipresence of Jesus. The scriptural evidence stating the non-omnipresence of Jesus is so abundant and overwelming that insisting in his supposed omnipresence is a sin.
1 - there is not any scriptural support for Jesus omnipresence.
2 - there is abundant scriptural evidence of Jesus non-omnipresence.
3 - same ocurres in reference with omniscience and omnipotence