Offensive words?

[ok doser]

Who says any words were created to offend? Words are most often created to be descriptive....niger/black for instance. Fag used to be a cigarette, now it is a slur. What's illogical is trying to make people bow to what is simply politically correct at any particular time.

dunno if you remember the trayvon martin incident - at one point in time, when the true picture of trayvon developed (instead of the media supplied picture of the cute little nine year kid who loved puppies) there was a lot of different descriptives used before one was settled on - thug

inevitably, there were objections from the politically correct that "thug" was as bad as "ni66er" and shouldn't be used

 

[musterion]

Been puzzled for a long time about the ****** thing but I think I finally figured it out with the help of some black folks.

Not all but many blacks refer to each other as ****** as a form of affectionate name calling. They even do it with white people, as Doser said, if they've come to like you. In that context, it is not (in their minds) an insult.

But as a rule they still do not like it when white people use it, at least if it's not a white person they know, because they still assume most white people don't like them simply because they are black. Ingrained reflex, I guess.

Does it make complete sense? No. Is it still a little bit hypocritical of them? Maybe. But that's my understanding of it, and I've occasionally been called "my ******" by a few who I'm friends with. I'm sure if I expressed discomfort with it they'd stop. I will on occasion throw "That's racist!" in their faces just for fun.

 

[ok doser]

Been puzzled for a long time about the ****** thing but I think I finally figured it out with the help of some black folks.

Not all but many blacks refer to each other as ****** as a form of affectionate name calling. They even do it with white people, as Doser said, if they've come to like you. In that context, it is not (in their minds) an insult.

But as a rule they still do not like it when white people use it, at least if it's not a white person they know, because they still assume most white people don't like them simply because they are black. Ingrained reflex, I guess.

Does it make complete sense? No. Is it still a little bit hypocritical of them? Maybe. But that's my understanding of it, and I've occasionally been called "my ******" by a few who I'm friends with. I'm sure if I expressed discomfort with it they'd stop. I will on occasion throw "That's racist!" in their faces just for fun.

what amuses me is that the politically correct/liberal/progressive assumes the mantle of the offended, even if there are no offended, even if they are not of the racial identity to bear offense

i have this discussion with my sisters occasionally - they take great offense at my use of the word "ni66er", and i always tell them "i'm not talking about you, b-word" :chuckle:

 

[musterion]

If leftists can't maintain a base of people who are perpetually offended about something, doesn't matter what, they lose relevance and power. That's why they hate mentally freed blacks like Thomas Sowell more than anything...they're the greatest threats to the Left, not whites.

 

[ok doser]

and now, consider the way chris rock uses it (or used to use it in his comedy routine) - he used the term "ni66er" not as an affectionate term of reference, but as a term of derision and disgust

i believe a few progressive heads (white heads) exploded trying to figure out what to do with that :chuckle:

 

[Truster]

I used to help in a denominational youth club and the kids were often asking a question that began with, 'Is it OK to..." The answer was always a matter of opinion voiced by one of "the team".

Looking back at the questions with 20/20 hindsight I would reframe the question and it would include the OP here.

Would a regenerate man...?

 

[Town Heretic]

Who says any words were created to offend?

People who are interested in language, I'd suppose. Most words weren't. Some were, like asshat. And some that were initially descriptive came to have a different use that could even be partitioned by context. So you could use a few words in an anatomical context that wouldn't be offensive at all, but within a social context would be understood by everyone to be nothing else.

What's illogical is trying to make people bow to what is simply politically correct at any particular time.

The point of language is communication. You can aim that at different audiences using different vocabularies, but if you use a word within the public square that is understood by most people to be an insult you aren't championing anything but poor manners and a problematic egocentric impulse.

 

[glorydaz]

Yeah.
I don't know why so many folks want to play along and keep adding more and more and more words to the list (as if it actually does anything of importance).
I think they just like creating more division instead of unity.

What we need in this country is some real hardship, and people wouldn't be so taken up with this nonsense.

Mankind is the only one of God's creation that falls for their own crap. My crap is better than your crap, and my crap is put in the correct receptacle, and my crap proves I eat healthier than you.

Just quit worrying about other people's crap. That's what I say. :chuckle:

 

[glorydaz]

Who says any words were created to offend?

People who are interested in language, I'd suppose.

See how he did that?



:blabla:


"an insult you aren't championing anything but poor manners and a problematic egocentric impulse."

 

[glorydaz]

Calling a person a "fag" or "faggot" is telling that person that you think they should be burned at the stake.

Wrong assumptions lead to these kinds of broad and over-reaching statements.

Some words are intentionally offensive.

So you assume. Once again, you can't see into a person's mind or know his intent from any particular word.

You can't know whether something is said in jest or not.

You can't even know what could be an inside joke between two people or not.

 

[glorydaz]

dunno if you remember the trayvon martin incident - at one point in time, when the true picture of trayvon developed (instead of the media supplied picture of the cute little nine year kid who loved puppies) there was a lot of different descriptives used before one was settled on - thug

inevitably, there were objections from the politically correct that "thug" was as bad as "ni66er" and shouldn't be used

Yep, I remember it well. Basically it's an effort to curtail all speech, because someone will always be offended.

 

[glorydaz]

i think they like assuming the mantle of moral superiority and bossing around those who they believe need it/deserve it

i like to mock people like that :banana:

Yep, and I'll say it for you. Town is one who counts himself superior in every way, and never misses an opportunity to show it. But, his digs are nastier than those more clearly and plainly spoken. Give me a real person brave enough to not cower behind a bunch of fancy dagger filled words.

Wear your six gun on your hip, man, instead of behind your back. :chuckle:

Man up!

 

[JudgeRightly]

We could take this thread into a fun direction.

What do you think was the very first word ever created to be offensive?

Probably what Satan said in his heart which caused him to fall.

 

[glorydaz]

Yep.
His words are an insult, and he seems to think that using flowery speech instead of pointed speech is less of an "insult".

"I can be just as insulting, but I'm a better person because my insults are more flowery than yours."​

What a crock!

Yep, as if that white wash covered those dead bones.

 

[glorydaz]

We could take this thread into a fun direction.

What do you think was the very first word ever created to be offensive?

Floozy.

 

[glorydaz]

What was the "word" he used that was supposed to be offensive to use?

He probably called Eve a floozy in his heart.

 

[JudgeRightly]

What was the "word" he used that was supposed to be offensive to use?

Considering what offensive means...

Anything that goes against God would be offensive to Him.

Lucifer said in his heart, "I am a god", which goes against God.

 

[ok doser]

What was the "word" he used that was supposed to be offensive to use?

me

he focused on his own pre-eminence instead of giving glory to God for all that he was

 

[ok doser]

Considering what offensive means...

Anything that goes against God would be offensive to Him.

Lucifer said in his heart, "I am a god", which goes against God.

i posted mine before i saw yours - good answer :thumb:

 

[JudgeRightly]

Well ....... when GOD says "Ye are gods", did that go against GOD? John 3:24 quoting Psalms 8:26

There is no verse 26 in Psalm 8. Only 9 verses.