Obama saves the economy
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PureX
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Obama didn't save the economy, but he didn't wreck it further, either. At least not yet.
The economy crashed because the big banks bribed up Bill Clinton and got him to repeal the Glass-Stegall Act, which used to prevent them form selling debts as assets and risking other people's money in bizarre and untenable marketing schemes. And they did this deliberately so they could market bad debt as phony assets, and gamble with other people's money, to create a false "bubble" that they could exploit until it inevitably burst. This sort of thing was made illegal after the last market crash in '29 because banking malfeasance was a contributing factor, but it seems enough bribe money eliminates all common sense in government.
But it's not just Bill Clinton who contributed to the economic disaster. It was George Bush's idiotic invasion of Iraq. And it was decades of republican sponsored "deregulation" and the deliberate dismantling of necessary business oversight intended to prevent exactly the abuses that led to the crash of the past, and to the one most recent.
So although I'm sure it makes you all feel better, somehow, to blame everything on Obama, and slander the black guy, it doesn't really address the problems in any realistic way. There has been a long line of presidents both republican and democrat who have taken the bribe money and sold America down the river of greed. As presidents go, Obama has been somewhat reserved in that area of behavior, though he is also guilty of acceding to the bribery, as evidenced by the recent passage of this latest legislation allowing the banks to play with other people's money, again, and do so INSURED by the government's backing (which means it's we who will pay the price when they lose money in the markets, while the banks who get to keep the money when they win).
The lying, thieving, and bribery just goes on and on, while we continue to elect and re-elect the criminals involved. Of which Obama is only a minor participant.
The economy crashed because the big banks bribed up Bill Clinton and got him to repeal the Glass-Stegall Act, which used to prevent them form selling debts as assets and risking other people's money in bizarre and untenable marketing schemes. And they did this deliberately so they could market bad debt as phony assets, and gamble with other people's money, to create a false "bubble" that they could exploit until it inevitably burst. This sort of thing was made illegal after the last market crash in '29 because banking malfeasance was a contributing factor, but it seems enough bribe money eliminates all common sense in government.
But it's not just Bill Clinton who contributed to the economic disaster. It was George Bush's idiotic invasion of Iraq. And it was decades of republican sponsored "deregulation" and the deliberate dismantling of necessary business oversight intended to prevent exactly the abuses that led to the crash of the past, and to the one most recent.
So although I'm sure it makes you all feel better, somehow, to blame everything on Obama, and slander the black guy, it doesn't really address the problems in any realistic way. There has been a long line of presidents both republican and democrat who have taken the bribe money and sold America down the river of greed. As presidents go, Obama has been somewhat reserved in that area of behavior, though he is also guilty of acceding to the bribery, as evidenced by the recent passage of this latest legislation allowing the banks to play with other people's money, again, and do so INSURED by the government's backing (which means it's we who will pay the price when they lose money in the markets, while the banks who get to keep the money when they win).
The lying, thieving, and bribery just goes on and on, while we continue to elect and re-elect the criminals involved. Of which Obama is only a minor participant.
Again, try not to assume that because something did not work in the past that it will not work again.
First of all, look to yourself. What specific way did you attempt your previous actions? Second, have back at me with specific criticism on how I responded to you.
What did it feel like to you? Did it trigger some hurt feelings on your part?
Be honest and fully feel your emotions, give them a name and express them to me kindly. There is no call to be insulting and cruel.
Why is it a "delusion" and not an "opinion"?
Can't you simply say you have a difference of opinion with me and then go from there?
I readily admit that I probably come across that way to a lot of people (Too many people at that).
If you can point out specific words and phrases that made you feel put down, victimized or mocked, please let me know so that I can find more adult ways to communicate.
I freely admit to my mistakes but I need specific criticism from others so I can learn how to be a better person.
If you are going to name-call and label, it is not going to help me at all.
Try to be kind, Frank. I am sorry you feel the way you do, otherwise you would not be so hurtful and defensive.
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Labeling others as Communist, liberals, socialists, etc. is leftover behavior from the 19th century. Borders are disappearing between people, nations and persuasions. Seeing things in black/white terms is bankrupt. Those formulations do not help us anymore.
Labeling others as Communist, liberals, socialists, etc. is leftover behavior from the 19th century. Borders are disappearing between people, nations and persuasions. Seeing things in black/white terms is bankrupt. Those formulations do not help us anymore.
If you do not recognize yourself as a child of your parents and your own family, you are still trying to protect your parents. This is why Jesus made so many savage attacks on family values and did it very very often (Let the dead bury the dead, the blessed family are those who do the will of God, not those who have been suckled by their mother, call no one on earth your father, I bring division between the generations who live under one roof, If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple, etc.)
Obviously I have struck a raw nerve and I apologize to you.
If you feel I attacked your parents, I am truly sorry. It took me a long time to grow up and get beyond criticizing or protecting my own mother and dad. I sometimes forget that some people are still unable or unwilling to do such a thing.
I don't feel I honor my parents for being blind to my own upbringing.
So I must have been projecting--which obviously didn't help you at all.
The world, unfortunately, is filled with national leaders and groups who apparently believe it best to protect their own parents from adult scrutiny.
Hitler, Saddam Hussein, the leadership of Isis, etc. are all characterized by horrific abuse in their families.
Sadism is not some infectious disease that strikes a person all of a sudden. It has a long prehistory in childhood and always originates in the desperate fantasies of a child who is searching for a way out of a hopeless situation. Research and academics have long known this, but if you regard scientists and researchers as elite and erroneous, I can understand why more people are unaware of this. At least serial killers are being recognized as having abusive childhoods and who re-enacted their own pain by torturing animals when they were growing up. It's going to take being accountable and learning to be able to see the patterns.
...and the crowd came together again, so that they could not even eat.
And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for people were saying, "He is beside himself."
Obviously I have struck a raw nerve and I apologize to you.
If you feel I attacked your parents, I am truly sorry. It took me a long time to grow up and get beyond criticizing or protecting my own mother and dad. I sometimes forget that some people are still unable or unwilling to do such a thing.
I don't feel I honor my parents for being blind to my own upbringing.
So I must have been projecting--which obviously didn't help you at all.
If you cannot see how your family is responsible for your unthinking cruelty to others, then you can go through life as a sleepwalker. Being able to see one's parents as human who did the best they could at the time is important and will prevent us from putting them on a pedestal or denigrating them for passing along what was given to themselves by their parents.
It's certainly dysfunctional to dismiss and discount other's feelings. If I say something to someone and they say they are hurt by what I said, instead of blaming them I try to look for the kernel of truth in their words. I try to immediately apologize and try to avoid hurting them any longer.
The world, unfortunately, is filled with national leaders and groups who apparently believe it best to protect their own parents from adult scrutiny.
Hitler, Saddam Hussein, the leadership of Isis, etc. are all characterized by horrific abuse in their families.
Sadism is not some infectious disease that strikes a person all of a sudden. It has a long prehistory in childhood and always originates in the desperate fantasies of a child who is searching for a way out of a hopeless situation. Research and academics have long known this, but if you regard scientists and researchers as elite and erroneous, I can understand why more people are unaware of this. At least serial killers are being recognized as having abusive childhoods and who re-enacted their own pain by torturing animals when they were growing up. It's going to take being accountable and learning to be able to see the patterns.
...and the crowd came together again, so that they could not even eat.
And when his family heard it, they went out to seize him, for people were saying, "He is beside himself."
This Charming Manc
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Never let a few well choosen facts get in the way of the wider picture
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The pictures not good, but it is not all democrats fault is it?
The pictures not good, but it is not all democrats fault is it?
I don't have to assume anything. The historical record is filled with examples proving, by a preponderance of evidence, that attempting to implement failure by hoping for a different outcome is insanity.
Get over yourself, a7. These fumbling stumblings at grasping control and playing the poor victim don't work. (I do marvel at the passive-aggressive personality type.)
:darwinsm: Dear Dr. Freud, you should have seated yourself earlier.
:yawn:
:idea: I can compromise on that! Your "opinion" is "delusional."
No, I cannot simply say what you are demanding I say.
Not my problem.
Or, perhaps, a less boorish way. This act of yours is starting to get stale.
I'm not your therapist.
Poor, hurt, put-upon, a7, reaching out for help. Who could not feel sympathetic? It's like watching one of those fund-raising commercials for ASPCA. (This hurt, pathetic, abandoned puppy need your help. Send us your dollars an we will send you a picture of a hurt, pathetic, abandoned puppy.)
:darwinsm: A Luke 23:34 (KJV) moment.
You really do need to call the crisis folks.
What? :darwinsm:
Help me do what?
:darwinsm: A Luke 6:42 (KJV) moment.
You are one step away from believing you're Jesus. Get help NOW!
My beliefs are my own and have nothing to do with the Jesus I know.
I do not accept the idea that a Christian has to believe in some lists of first-century theology to be a member of the church. I believe in a Jesus who preached the Kingdom of God ON EARTH as it is in Heaven.
Life before death is where the problems are. The poor, the abandoned, the captives, the sinners--these are the things that confront and challenge me, not a bureaucracy of a church that merged with the Roman Empire in 325 AD.
Let's face it: you seem to be quite happy with a different version of Christianity. Unfortunately, I see this version the way most people in the modern world see it--authoritative, hypocritical, other-worldly, bigoted and elitist.
My cherry-picking also tells me most believers are both unable to understand and confront the criticism of the faith, nor do they know how to respond to it in any reasonable way.
The global culture sees a link between both Islam and Christianity and has no use for either.
Finally, *again*, you must try to be kind and reasonable. Name-calling and facile judgments will just not do it anymore. Such behavior only causes people to turn away from you and run.
I do not accept the idea that a Christian has to believe in some lists of first-century theology to be a member of the church. I believe in a Jesus who preached the Kingdom of God ON EARTH as it is in Heaven.
Life before death is where the problems are. The poor, the abandoned, the captives, the sinners--these are the things that confront and challenge me, not a bureaucracy of a church that merged with the Roman Empire in 325 AD.
Let's face it: you seem to be quite happy with a different version of Christianity. Unfortunately, I see this version the way most people in the modern world see it--authoritative, hypocritical, other-worldly, bigoted and elitist.
My cherry-picking also tells me most believers are both unable to understand and confront the criticism of the faith, nor do they know how to respond to it in any reasonable way.
The global culture sees a link between both Islam and Christianity and has no use for either.
Finally, *again*, you must try to be kind and reasonable. Name-calling and facile judgments will just not do it anymore. Such behavior only causes people to turn away from you and run.
Well, let's take a look...
Granted, 2009 was Bush's doing, not Obama's. And on his watch, the deficits declined. But still not very good news. And there's a possibility that anther borrow-and-spend Bush will be in the WH next time around. Or even worse, a supply-side enthusiast who will pump the deficits up a la Reagan, who said that deficits didn't matter.
Not a good outlook.
The Jesus "you know" is mostly of your own invention.
Ok. So?
So? I see you as exactly that.
So you have problems with people you are trying to browbeat into submission.
I see. This mythical "global culture" is secular humanist then?
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