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aikido7

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Yes, you do, and, no, you don't. (Awaiting next foray into psychobabbling nonsense.)

(I did not have wait long.)
Pop psychology: Pay attention to the log in your own eye before you sarcastically point out the speck of sawdust in mine.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz :sleep: I react that way because the "other's ideas" do not reflect any known reality.
Keep digging.

Thank you, Dr. Freud. You may resume your seat.
I prefer standing.

:darwinsm: Pharisaic humility. I'll bet your glad you're not like the rest of men, even this publican. (Luke 18:10-14 (KJV))
Ancient writers and historians had the goal of being as accurate as possible recording speeches and historical details, but they also felt at liberty to be creative in constructing speeches that were similar to what was really said--probably in summary form.

The practice of the ancient gospel writers lies somewhere between literal dictation, on the one hand, and invention on the other.

We began with the Enlightenment to think that ancient peoples ("other" peoples) told dumb, literal stories that we were now smart enough to recognize as such.

Not quite.

Those ancient people told smart, metaphorical stories that we were now dumb enough to take literally.
 

Desert Reign

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Texas is pumping the most crude since they stopped in the 80's when Reagan policies brought down prices. I wonder what Obama will do to combat it.

I remember not so long ago here in Britain (about the year 2000) there was a spontaneous mass protest against the rising petrol prices which was triggered by haulage companies who were going out of business because of the high cost. The prices went over 80p per litre for the first time. Now everyone is happy that the price has come down from £1.40 to £1.20 and the oil companies in the North Sea are complaining that they are having to lay off people and shut down fields and exploration.
Something doesn't make much sense there! Of course it couldn't possibly be to do with greed. I am sure that the oil companies and the government who tax the petrol are only trying to make our lives better...

By the way £1.20 /litre equates to about £5.45 to a gallon which is about $8.50 per gallon at today's rates of exchange.
And by the way, for the culturally deprived, petrol is the proper word for what you put in your car tank to keep it going. It isn't gas, it's obviously liquid...
 

Frank Ernest

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Pop psychology: Pay attention to the log in your own eye before you sarcastically point out the speck of sawdust in mine.
Nice try! You are elevating hypocrisy to an art form.
Keep digging.
:darwinsm:
I prefer standing.
Proverbs 16:18 (KJV)
Ancient writers and historians had the goal of being as accurate as possible recording speeches and historical details, but they also felt at liberty to be creative in constructing speeches that were similar to what was really said--probably in summary form.

The practice of the ancient gospel writers lies somewhere between literal dictation, on the one hand, and invention on the other.
More miscellaneous wanderings into la-la-land.
We began with the Enlightenment to think that ancient peoples ("other" peoples) told dumb, literal stories that we were now smart enough to recognize as such.

Not quite.

Those ancient people told smart, metaphorical stories that we were now dumb enough to take literally.
Is there any point to your incessantly muddled babbling?
 

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OBAMA is a muslim.

He had to become a part-time Christian in order to get Elected.

Obama promised the Moslem Saudi King that he would DESTROY Israel.

Look at the mid-east commentator AVI LIPKIN on Youtube.
 

aikido7

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Nice try! You are elevating hypocrisy to an art form.
I have yet to see you being accountable for your own hypocrisy, wrong-headedness and racism. I have had to look at the log in my own eye many times.

:darwinsm:

Proverbs 16:18 (KJV)
Proverbs is a collection of conventional wisdom, the sorts of maxims that any of the world's faiths offer.

Jesus dislocated the default world of conventional wisdom and did not spout propositional theology or relevant cultural sayings.

Personally, I would rather pay attention to Jesus. He came first before all the interpretations of him that were affixed to him after the crucifixion.


Is there any point to your incessantly muddled babbling?
"Muddled babbling" is a label and an insult. It is cruel and short-sighted. I think your family provided you with the support to act this way toward others.

I would prefer you respond with respect and fairness.
 

Frank Ernest

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I have yet to see you being accountable for your own hypocrisy, wrong-headedness and racism.
:darwinsm: Hypocrisy? Point it out. Wrong-headedness? Point it out. Racism? Where? Point it out. However, you do have the liberal view, that accusations are sufficient to determine guilt. Evidence not required.
I have had to look at the log in my own eye many times.
:darwinsm: You look, but you don't see.
Proverbs is a collection of conventional wisdom, the sorts of maxims that any of the world's faiths offer.
So what?
Jesus dislocated the default world of conventional wisdom and did not spout propositional theology or relevant cultural sayings.
You are so full of it, and yourself.
Personally, I would rather pay attention to Jesus. He came first before all the interpretations of him that were affixed to him after the crucifixion.
Personally, I believe you are lost wandering in a world of your own creation.
"Muddled babbling" is a label and an insult. It is cruel and short-sighted. I think your family provided you with the support to act this way toward others.
:darwinsm:
I would prefer you respond with respect and fairness.
No, you would prefer that I give in to your mindless nonsense.
 

aikido7

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Democrats 2003-2008: Bush is responsible for these gas prices!
Republicans 2003-2008: The president has no control over gas prices

Republicans 2008-2009: Bush lowered the price of gas!
Democrats 2008-2009: The president has no control over gas prices

Democrats 2009-2011: Look at how Obama is doing such a good at keeping the gas prices low!
Republicans 2009-2011: The president has no control over gas prices

Republicans 2011-2014: Look at these Obama gas prices!
Democrats 2011-2014: The president has no control over gas prices

Democrats 2014: Obama has lowered the gas prices nationwide!
Republicans 2014: The president has no control over gas prices
An interesting idea that Obama claimed he was responsible for gas prices. I guess I am just surprised to hear that from YOU.
 

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:darwinsm: Hypocrisy? Point it out. Wrong-headedness? Point it out. Racism? Where? Point it out. However, you do have the liberal view, that accusations are sufficient to determine guilt. Evidence not required.
I make mistakes everyday. I am afraid of blacks. I believe that every human behavior has good intentions and this often results in my preaching one thing to others and behaving quite differently at other times.

:darwinsm: You look, but you don't see.[/QUOTE]Help me out here. I am apparently talking to a stone so I won't expect you to be able to look within at your own sins. If you feel you want to try mind-reading me and guessing at my motives, go right ahead.


You are so full of it, and yourself.
That's Jesus on earth?

Personally, I believe you are lost wandering in a world of your own creation.
Not too many of us can admit that. We all live in our own cherry orchard and spend our lives cherry-picking our reality. Seven billion people in the world can't be wrong, I guess.


No, you would prefer that I give in to your mindless nonsense.
I would prefer a fair hearing. I get really irritated when conservative, Heaven/Hell Christians set themselves up as some sort of victim of anything liberal, intellectual, or academic. I am not surprised to hear it from you, but I still think you are being silly.
 

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If oil prices stay low (no thanks to Obama) the US economy will improve drastically and save his legacy, in the minds of the masses.

It is possible but, the more likely scenario is that Obama will pass some other executive action to screw that up too...
 

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It isn't gas, it's obviously liquid...

Correct! it is gasoline and yes, it is a liquid...


gas·o·line (găs′ə-lēn′, găs′ə-lēn′)
n.
A volatile mixture of flammable liquid hydrocarbons derived chiefly from crude petroleum and used principally as a fuel for internal-combustion engines.
 

rocketman

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If oil prices stay low (no thanks to Obama) the US economy will improve drastically and save his legacy, in the minds of the masses.

I am thinking you need to change the thread title from " Obama saves the economy" to "Economy Survives In Spite Of Obama"...it would be more accurate being he has done nothing but, try to torpedo oil production in this country.
 

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Your political philosophy is noted. I do not run from facts, evidence and data so I agree with your personal thinking.

What I do not agree with is the singularity and un-nuanced view of the 1930s. Your inclusion of the laughing smilie is evident, in my view, of the noted tendency to react to others' ideas with mockery and sarcasm. In my opinion it does not contribute to skillful communication or collaborative problem-solving. I think people engage in sarcastic emotions because of the sarcasm they encountered as children. Fully functional adults seldom use such tactics. At least whenever I do it, I try to be accountable for my own immaturity and wrong-headedness. But's that just me.

Roosevelt was an elite who realized the day to day conditions of the American working man. And he governed accordingly, such that the U.S. conservative military (plus Wall Street banksters) were involved in a plot/coup to overthrow FDR.

Roosevelt went back to the "economic royalists" with his hat in his hand when he soon discovered that a war could only be waged with the help of wealthy financiers to turn the tide against families like the Bushes and other U.S. supported multi-nationals who were unabashedly supporting Hitler in the 1930s.

Such ideological frameworks like A causes B and leads to C are bankrupt today. They might have held sway in the 19th century but are largely dysfunctional today.

Today's global culture presents us with a web of interlocking ideas that do not present themselves as some Newtonian game of billiards.

Influence and causation are no longer as cut and dried as you present. The effect of the coming war was only one factor.

Tyrannical systems tend to denounce nuance and relativity.
That is why, say, Adolf Hitler's brownshirts were intolerant of different ideas. It goes with the territory.
My POTD. :up:
 

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It is possible but, the more likely scenario is that Obama will pass some other executive action to screw that up too...

That would imply incompetence, and he is not. He has been doing exactly what he wants in driving up costs and lowering income.
 

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I make mistakes everyday. I am afraid of blacks. I believe that every human behavior has good intentions and this often results in my preaching one thing to others and behaving quite differently at other times.
It's ok because everyone does it?
:darwinsm: You look, but you don't see.
Help me out here. I am apparently talking to a stone so I won't expect you to be able to look within at your own sins. If you feel you want to try mind-reading me and guessing at my motives, go right ahead.
In that case, I would be practicing what you preach.
That's Jesus on earth?
I have no idea what you're trying to get at.
Not too many of us can admit that. We all live in our own cherry orchard and spend our lives cherry-picking our reality. Seven billion people in the world can't be wrong, I guess.
Right. Everyone else in the world is a carbon copy of you.
I would prefer a fair hearing. I get really irritated when conservative, Heaven/Hell Christians set themselves up as some sort of victim of anything liberal, intellectual, or academic. I am not surprised to hear it from you, but I still think you are being silly.
"Fair hearing" would mean agreeing with you. You have the "victim" part backward. You have been playing the aggrieved victim ever since I've known you.
 

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It's ok because everyone does it?


In that case, I would be practicing what you preach.

I have no idea what you're trying to get at.

Right. Everyone else in the world is a carbon copy of you.

"Fair hearing" would mean agreeing with you. You have the "victim" part backward. You have been playing the aggrieved victim ever since I've known you.
When people are raised up in an environment of cruelty, disrespect and unfairness they tend to treat others as they themselves were treated as children.

So I am sorry you feel the way you do, Frank. It can't be easy being an innocent child being "taught" such behavior by a pair of unconscious parents.


It may be very difficult for you to believe the simple fact that every persecutor was once a victim. Yet it should be very obvious that someone who was allowed to feel free and strong from childhood does not have the need to humiliate another person.
 

aikido7

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...I have no idea what you're trying to get at.

Then what prevents you from formulating a question and just asking me in an adult manner?

Why the sarcasm, the mockery and cruelty? Is that REALLY Christianity, or is it really just a leftover from your childhood?

Right. Everyone else in the world is a carbon copy of you.

I am unique. Just like everybody else. *(smile)*

"Fair hearing" would mean agreeing with you. You have the "victim" part backward. You have been playing the aggrieved victim ever since I've known you.

You sound unfamiliar with the truism that we can easily listen to others without feeling we are agreeing with them.

There are way more choices to deal with interpersonal conflict besides giving in or fighting back.

How does your own family of origin problem-solve?
 

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When people are raised up in an environment of cruelty, disrespect and unfairness they tend to treat others as they themselves were treated as children.
Is that what happened to you? If so, I am sorry to hear it.
So I am sorry you feel the way you do, Frank.
:allsmile: That's ok, a7. Help for you is as close as your telephone and a crisis line.
It can't be easy being an innocent child being "taught" such behavior by a pair of unconscious parents.
Oh! I though you had something relevant to say when all you wanted to do was insult and denigrate my parents. As it is, my sainted parents are, and have been, for many years, beyond the ignorant, simplistic and cursory scrutiny of reprobates such as yourself.
It may be very difficult for you to believe the simple fact that every persecutor was once a victim. Yet it should be very obvious that someone who was allowed to feel free and strong from childhood does not have the need to humiliate another person.
I don't. Whatever faux "humiliation" you are experiencing is entirely of your own delusional invention.
 
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I am thinking you need to change the thread title from " Obama saves the economy" to "Economy Survives In Spite Of Obama"...it would be more accurate being he has done nothing but, try to torpedo oil production in this country.
My sarcasm was not evident?
 

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Then what prevents you from formulating a question and just asking me in an adult manner?
That failed a long time ago, a7. When I did, and do, your replies are filled with insult and innuendo, are totally off point and generally, quite frankly, drivel-laden psychobabbling pontifications.
Why the sarcasm, the mockery and cruelty? Is that REALLY Christianity, or is it really just a leftover from your childhood?
No. It is well-deserved analysis of a :Commie: control freak who lives in a universe of delusions.
I am unique. Just like everybody else. *(smile)*
Not really. There are many people, such as yourself, who believe that others are stupidly ignorant fools who need their guidance and direction.
You sound unfamiliar with the truism that we can easily listen to others without feeling we are agreeing with them.
Supra.
There are way more choices to deal with interpersonal conflict besides giving in or fighting back.
:darwinsm: In other words, sow confusion.
How does your own family of origin problem-solve?
Quite effectively and well. Thanks for asking.
 
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