If oil prices stay low (no thanks to Obama) the US economy will improve drastically and save his legacy, in the minds of the masses.
Obama saves the economy
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A lot of truth to that. We did have Roosevelt, whom some consider our greatest President.
dreadknought
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Yes, I saw an article the other day that said there are some analysts who are saying the XL pipeline may not make economic sense anymore, with these lower oil prices. May damper investment in it. But others are saying that people will stay on board because they can't drop a big project based on what might be a temporary decrease.
Did you see that NY is heading toward a ban on fracking? (unrelated to the oil prices) :think:
genuineoriginal
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It is refreshing to hear that Obama did something right.
(In this case, what he did right was not messing up a good thing by trying to fix it.)
no, i hadn't - i'll have to look it up when i get back - gotta run and go get a ppd test :wave2:
What do you mean no thanks to Bammy...he kissed their buttes didn't he?
genuineoriginal
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He said "masses" not "mesas".
Only two groups say it. Socialists that hate liberty and fools.
Exactly right, but there sure are a lot of people in those two groups!
Gas prices are low due to fracking happening in this country, they (OPEC) do not want us to go after our own oil, which is why they are dropping the price without dropping production, so we will either stop (be deluded in thinking again its not needed like what happened when Jimmy Carter the first was in office) or they get it so low its not cost effective for people to do it here, so we will stop.
Problem though will be if we stop going after our own, then later it will get even higher than it is now and completely bankrupt us, like it almost already did and put our economy at a halt.
Hopefully we have learned a lesson from the last time to not stop producing our own and end dependance on foreign oil and keep our own economy strong instead of building islands in Dubai with American money.
Problem though will be if we stop going after our own, then later it will get even higher than it is now and completely bankrupt us, like it almost already did and put our economy at a halt.
Hopefully we have learned a lesson from the last time to not stop producing our own and end dependance on foreign oil and keep our own economy strong instead of building islands in Dubai with American money.
Since Obama, America's deficit has been reduced by trillions.
The reason Roosevelt's picture was found in nearly every American living room in the 30s and 40s was because the nation began to turn around with an infusion of "socialism."
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The nation began to turn around economically because of an impending world war. The corporations, whom Roosevelt was quite content to tax and regulate to death, suddenly became his political saviors.
Take heart, a7. Obama still has two years to totally destroy a great nation and enslave its people.
PureX
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It's true that Obama had nothing to do with the drop in oil prices. But it's also true that he had nothing to do with their rise, either.
So why you're even bringing Obama into it is a mystery to me. Especially while you're pointing out how others will mistakenly do the same.
As to legacies, they mostly only exist in the minds of the ex-presidents, themselves. The rest of us just don't care. We're too busy dealing with the incompetence of the one that's in office to worry about the incompetence of the ones that have left.
shagster01
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Democrats 2003-2008: Bush is responsible for these gas prices!
Republicans 2003-2008: The president has no control over gas prices
Republicans 2008-2009: Bush lowered the price of gas!
Democrats 2008-2009: The president has no control over gas prices
Democrats 2009-2011: Look at how Obama is doing such a good at keeping the gas prices low!
Republicans 2009-2011: The president has no control over gas prices
Republicans 2011-2014: Look at these Obama gas prices!
Democrats 2011-2014: The president has no control over gas prices
Democrats 2014: Obama has lowered the gas prices nationwide!
Republicans 2014: The president has no control over gas prices
Republicans 2003-2008: The president has no control over gas prices
Republicans 2008-2009: Bush lowered the price of gas!
Democrats 2008-2009: The president has no control over gas prices
Democrats 2009-2011: Look at how Obama is doing such a good at keeping the gas prices low!
Republicans 2009-2011: The president has no control over gas prices
Republicans 2011-2014: Look at these Obama gas prices!
Democrats 2011-2014: The president has no control over gas prices
Democrats 2014: Obama has lowered the gas prices nationwide!
Republicans 2014: The president has no control over gas prices
Your political philosophy is noted. I do not run from facts, evidence and data so I agree with your personal thinking.
What I do not agree with is the singularity and un-nuanced view of the 1930s. Your inclusion of the laughing smilie is evident, in my view, of the noted tendency to react to others' ideas with mockery and sarcasm. In my opinion it does not contribute to skillful communication or collaborative problem-solving. I think people engage in sarcastic emotions because of the sarcasm they encountered as children. Fully functional adults seldom use such tactics. At least whenever I do it, I try to be accountable for my own immaturity and wrong-headedness. But's that just me.
Roosevelt was an elite who realized the day to day conditions of the American working man. And he governed accordingly, such that the U.S. conservative military (plus Wall Street banksters) were involved in a plot/coup to overthrow FDR.
Roosevelt went back to the "economic royalists" with his hat in his hand when he soon discovered that a war could only be waged with the help of wealthy financiers to turn the tide against families like the Bushes and other U.S. supported multi-nationals who were unabashedly supporting Hitler in the 1930s.
Such ideological frameworks like A causes B and leads to C are bankrupt today. They might have held sway in the 19th century but are largely dysfunctional today.
Today's global culture presents us with a web of interlocking ideas that do not present themselves as some Newtonian game of billiards.
Influence and causation are no longer as cut and dried as you present. The effect of the coming war was only one factor.
Tyrannical systems tend to denounce nuance and relativity.
That is why, say, Adolf Hitler's brownshirts were intolerant of different ideas. It goes with the territory.
Yes, you do, and, no, you don't. (Awaiting next foray into psychobabbling nonsense.)
(I did not have wait long.)
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I react that way because the "other's ideas" do not reflect any known reality.Thank you, Dr. Freud. You may resume your seat.
:darwinsm: Pharisaic humility. I'll bet you're glad you're not like the rest of men, even this publican. (Luke 18:10-14 (KJV))
No, it isn't. You are one of the arrogant elites.
Yes, and he prolonged those conditions to his political advantage.
:darwinsm:
That is the stuff from which tinfoil helmets are made.
During the 1930s, Roosevelt did what any good liberal does. He expanded government at the expense of the people, gutted the military to the point that, by 1937, we had an almost impotent defense against foreign aggression. The Empire of Japan read the signs rather well and planned accordingly. The Third Reich read the signs also, but did not plan accordingly.
:darwinsm: Mankind has not changed one whit in thousands of years.
Whatever that might mean, it's nonsense.
Really? World War II looked pretty well cut and dried to me.
Do they now? I have no idea what you're trying to get at here.
Any different from Obama's gestapo?
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