ECT No freewill, you say? God decrees faith?

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"And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:
But God led the people about, through the way of the wilderness of the Red sea: and the children of Israel went up harnessed out of the land of Egypt." Exodus 13:17-18 (KJV)
 
genuineoriginal

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Cross Reference said:
"And it came to pass, when Pharaoh had let the people go, that God led them not through the way of the land of the Philistines, although that was near; for God said, Lest peradventure the people repent when they see war, and they return to Egypt:
But God led the people about, through the way of the wilderness of the Red sea: and the children of Israel went up harnessed out of the land of Egypt." Exodus 13:17-18 (KJV)
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You have posted scripture.

Do you have any comments on the verses posted?
 
Nang

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God has done for His people, what He knew they would never be able or willing to do for themselves.

He delivered His people Israel from Egypt; He baptized them in the Red Sea; He guided them in the wilderness by His Spirit; He sanctified them with His holiness and commands from the Mount; He kept them and they persevered until they received the promise of the Holy Land.

All to the praise of His glory!

Soli Deo Gloria!
 
andyc

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Nang said:
God has done for His people, what He knew they would never be able or willing to do for themselves.

He delivered His people Israel from Egypt; He baptized them in the Red Sea; He guided them in the wilderness by His Spirit; He sanctified them with His holiness and commands from the Mount; He kept them and they persevered until they received the promise of the Holy Land.

All to the praise of His glory!

Soli Deo Gloria!
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Of all that came out of Egypt, only two entered into the promise ;)
 
genuineoriginal

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Nang said:
Where does Scripture say deliverance and faith and fulfilled promises do not come by the grace of God?
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Where does Scripture say deliverance does not come by deuling banjoes?

I find it amazing that there are three Calvinists on this site that keep trying to use the "where does scripture not say my non-scriptural belief" argument.

Your belief is non-scriptural simply because the scriptures do not say it.

There is no reason for anyone to assume that your belief becomes scriptural simply because the scriptures do not actually state it.
 
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Nang said:
How can a sinful person obey God apart from His grace and the gift of faith to believe the righteousness of His commands?
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A sinful person can obey God by using the free will that God has given to each person.

God has already given the gift of free will to enable mankind to choose to obey Him.

Why do you assume that God's gift was insufficient?
 
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Bradley D

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The original group did not enter into the Promised Land. They kept complaining to Moses and not trusting God. They refused to go into the Promised Land. God kept them wandering in the wilderness till the old generation passed away, including Moses and Aaron. The new generation led by Joshua went into the Promised Land.
 
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Nang said:
Deuteronomy speaks of holy commands given unto obedience.

How can a sinful person obey God apart from His grace and the gift of faith to believe the righteousness of His commands?
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Yes, obedience. Now where is the gift of faith needed for obedience? A command is a command. Obey it or die. That is not difficult to understand even for a sinful man.
 
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Bradley D said:
The original group did not enter into the Promised Land. They kept complaining to Moses and not trusting God. They refused to go into the Promised Land. God kept them wandering in the wilderness till the old generation passed away, including Moses and Aaron. The new generation led by Joshua went into the Promised Land.
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I think all of that is totally irrelevant given the passages I submitted.
 
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andyc said:
In Numbers 14 it explains that of all the people who came out of Egypt, no one over 20 years of age entered the promised land, except for Joshua and Caleb.
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I understand, but you have all under twenty as being non-existent by declaring only two went in. . .;)

Only those of the first generation died in the wilderness. By that time, all who were twenty at the outset of the penalty for unbelief, were certainly much older when they entered.
 
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I understand, but you have all under twenty as being non-existent by declaring only two went in. . .;)

Only those of the first generation died in the wilderness. By that time, all who were twenty at the outset of the penalty for unbelief, were certainly much older when they entered.
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Yeah, basically the kids didn't have a slave mentality. What a lesson to learn there. A wonderful parallel about ceasing from works. Gotta get out of that slave mentality in order to enter into rest.

When in rest, bring on the giants.
 
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andyc said:
Yeah, basically the kids didn't have a slave mentality. What a lesson to learn there. A wonderful parallel about ceasing from works. Gotta get out of that slave mentality in order to enter into rest.

When in rest, bring on the giants.
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The kids were also not of an age to challenge authority __ only the fathers. Ergo, they suffered as well. However, cf Heb,6:4-6 with this to maybe get a better understanding of the penalty for mans "falling away" after intimacy.
 
Nang

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I find it interesting that the nation was kept in the wilderness, until the majority of males reached the age of warriors. This certainly added to intimidating the wicked nations as Israel moved through hostile territories.
 
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