The Gospel Matrix
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Hey, are you mocking me?? If someone wants to label themselves as something, I do not mind abiding by it.
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Hey, are you mocking me?? If someone wants to label themselves as something, I do not mind abiding by it.
freelight
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Discerning 'truth' from 'falsehood' is a good start.......
Discerning 'truth' from 'falsehood' is a good start.......
Oh wonderful. How about responding to his answers and putting forth a good argument why his commentary is 'false', instead of deeming himself as false? He actually dares to think for himself and charts his own spiritual journey and relationship with 'God' by personal experience, so that makes him false?
TGM answered your question, and has been rather intellectually honest here with his commentary,...perhaps you could be a little more courteous to the newbie and engage in a creatively intelligent dialogue with him instead of trying to corner him into answering something that would only be 'true' (to you) by it conforming to your already preconceived answer (IOW, your own presumed theology and what you've been taught about HOW to be "saved").
He answered your question honestly. I would further confirm the honest question of being saved from what? This whole concept of "being saved" is wholly preconceptual, and based upon a platform of various presuppositions, like 'original sin', 'vicarious blood-atonement' and other prefigured belief-concepts. Many are unaware that they even need to be 'saved', but you cant prove that they need to be, apart from your 'belief' about it.
Anyone can quote the answer found in Acts,....."believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved and your household",...or from Romans "if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart......", but you see this whole 'being saved' concept is still based on presuppositions and only 'held' in place by 'faith' in that religious belief-system. - that's all you got, and the whole superstructure of this proposition is still based on various presupossitions that need to be 'believed' in order to even "be saved" :doh:
Its just another gilded horse on the merry-go-round
Discerning 'truth' from 'falsehood' is a good start.......
Oh wonderful. How about responding to his answers and putting forth a good argument why his commentary is 'false', instead of deeming himself as false? He actually dares to think for himself and charts his own spiritual journey and relationship with 'God' by personal experience, so that makes him false?
TGM answered your question, and has been rather intellectually honest here with his commentary,...perhaps you could be a little more courteous to the newbie and engage in a creatively intelligent dialogue with him instead of trying to corner him into answering something that would only be 'true' (to you) by it conforming to your already preconceived answer (IOW, your own presumed theology and what you've been taught about HOW to be "saved").
He answered your question honestly. I would further confirm the honest question of being saved from what? This whole concept of "being saved" is wholly preconceptual, and based upon a platform of various presuppositions, like 'original sin', 'vicarious blood-atonement' and other prefigured belief-concepts. Many are unaware that they even need to be 'saved', but you cant prove that they need to be, apart from your 'belief' about it.
Anyone can quote the answer found in Acts,....."believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved and your household",...or from Romans "if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart......", but you see this whole 'being saved' concept is still based on presuppositions and only 'held' in place by 'faith' in that religious belief-system. - that's all you got, and the whole superstructure of this proposition is still based on various presupossitions that need to be 'believed' in order to even "be saved" :doh:
Its just another gilded horse on the merry-go-round
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Oh wonderful. How about responding to his answers and putting forth a good argument why his commentary is 'false', instead of deeming himself as false? He actually dares to think for himself and charts his own spiritual journey and relationship with 'God' by personal experience, so that makes him false?
TGM answered your question, and has been rather intellectually honest here with his commentary,...perhaps you could be a little more courteous to the newbie and engage in a creatively intelligent dialogue with him instead of trying to corner him into answering something that would only be 'true' (to you) by it conforming to your already preconceived answer (IOW, your own presumed theology and what you've been taught about HOW to be "saved").
He answered your question honestly. I would further confirm the honest question of being saved from what? This whole concept of "being saved" is wholly preconceptual, and based upon a platform of various presuppositions, like 'original sin', 'vicarious blood-atonement' and other prefigured belief-concepts. Many are unaware that they even need to be 'saved', but you cant prove that they need to be, apart from your 'belief' about it.
Anyone can quote the answer found in Acts,....."believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved and your household",...or from Romans "if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart......", but you see this whole 'being saved' concept is still based on presuppositions and only 'held' in place by 'faith' in that religious belief-system. - that's all you got, and the whole superstructure of this proposition is still based on various presupossitions that need to be 'believed' in order to even "be saved" :doh:
Its just another gilded horse on the merry-go-round
Thanks for the support, and you make great points in all of the things you address there.
The levels of cognitive dissonance throughout Christianity, and the entire religious spectrum, have reached spiritually self-destructive heights, I believe. This causes exactly what you have seen here. A lack of desire to specifically address valid points that may require uncomfortable contemplation, resulting in a short, dismissive reply to a worthy rebuttal (plugging the ears).
Acts 7
57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and rushed at him with one accord. 58 They threw him out of the city, and stoned him. The witnesses placed their garments at the feet of a young man named Saul.
Judges 21
25 In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did that which was right in his own eyes.
John 9
4 I must work the works of him who sent me, while it is day. The night is coming, when no one can work. 5 While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
The King has been away for 2,000 years, and during this time, Christianity (and the world) has been in darkness. With 20,000+ Christian denominations all believing and teaching different things, it should be undeniable to anyone with self-honesty that everyone is merely doing what he sees as right in his own blinded eyes, because it has been impossible to perceive absolute Truth.
And now, when voices come along causing self-deluded Christians to confront their self-complacency, cognitive dissonance, and spiritual impotence, they plug their ears and stone to death those voices. This is why the divinely inspired Acts passage above makes a point to mention the false witnesses showing Saul/Paul a sign of authority during the stoning of the voice of Truth - it is a clue telling us that for 2,000 years, Christians have forsaken the Truth (Christ, their supposed Lord) to follow Paul.
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According to whom? I am not asking in a combative way, but just curious as to your answer.