New film tackles evidence for evolution

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The Barbarian

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If rain falling on rocks long enough produced self-replicating amino acids
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Directly observed to happen:
Researchers at the University of Munich, Germany, synthesised hydroxyl acids and amino acids - life's first enzymes and the ingredients for further reactions between organic molecules, and the eventual development of living organisms.

They used cyanide and carbon monoxide, volcanic gas chemicals, and iron and nickel transition metal catalysts, which are found in the rock of the sea bed. According to Wachtershauser the study has solved one of the remaining mysteries shrouding the origin of life chemistry.

'Until now the presence of amino acids was relegated to their existence in a prebiotic broth of organic material,' he said. 'We have now synthesised a mixture of everything that life needs at one site under realistic chemical conditions.'
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2006/October/26100603.asp

Amino acids also form in space; meteorites sometimes contain them. Not surprisingly, they show an excess of L-forms.

chucking pigs off a cliff until they're aerodynamically sound seems like a grant-worthy study to me.
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Maybe so, but God poofing animals into existence from nothing (in spite of His word to the contrary) also seems reasonable to you. So that's really not much to go on, is it?
 
musterion

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Maybe so, but God poofing animals into existence from nothing (in spite of His word to the contrary) also seems reasonable to you. So that's really not much to go on, is it?
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Dude, seriously. How can you post something like that and claim to believe God's Word at all? What exactly DOES the term "Christian" even mean to you?
 
musterion

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The Barbarian said:
Directly observed to happen:
Researchers at the University of Munich, Germany, synthesised hydroxyl acids and amino acids - life's first enzymes and the ingredients for further reactions between organic molecules, and the eventual development of living organisms.

They used cyanide and carbon monoxide, volcanic gas chemicals, and iron and nickel transition metal catalysts, which are found in the rock of the sea bed. According to Wachtershauser the study has solved one of the remaining mysteries shrouding the origin of life chemistry.

'Until now the presence of amino acids was relegated to their existence in a prebiotic broth of organic material,' he said. 'We have now synthesised a mixture of everything that life needs at one site under realistic chemical conditions.'
http://www.rsc.org/chemistryworld/News/2006/October/26100603.asp
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Proving it requires intelligence to synthesize them?

Still waiting for you to explain how rain and radiation falling on rocks for millions of years and finally producing life is a reasonable, science-based belief and not a matter of faith.

Amino acids also form in space; meteorites sometimes contain them.
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Evidence, please.
 
musterion

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I just figured that when I remembered he overlooked my question asking him to tell me how to be saved, since he said I'm not. He's on Ignore now.
 
alwight

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musterion said:
Proving it requires intelligence to synthesize them?

Still waiting for you to explain how rain and radiation falling on rocks for millions of years and finally producing life is a reasonable, science-based belief and not a matter of faith.

Evidence, please.
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Life having begun is pretty axiomatic surely?
No faith is required at all, it exists and there is a whole trail of evidence to go with it.

Some of the early details may be sketchy perhaps but that doesn't therefore require miraculous events to be concluded, it just means we don't actually know yet.

Why would complex life suddenly appearing out of thin air be perhaps considered a more reasonable line of enquiry?:liberals:

Nothing personal but I don't think you're saved either btw, sorry about that. :rolleyes:
 
glorydaz

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alwight said:
There is more than enough evidence of which has never falsified the ToE, but if you think that the miraculous is more likely then that's your business.
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Man being formed from the dust of the ground by a higher being, and then multiplying according to like kind is a miracle compared to his slowly evolving from pond scum? That kind of thinking only proves man is not getting one bit smarter since the beginning. :chuckle:
 
glorydaz

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noguru said:
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Right, that's why anyone who does not have a strict adherence to a "literal" interpretation of Genesis can see the evidence. Though people such as you, who make a strict adherence to a "literal" Genesis as your first priority, cannot see the evidence.

Note: I deleted the part that was an absurd expectation in regard to evidence.
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Ah, all that "evidence" that can't be found because it takes so long, right? All that mixing and matching that can't show any animal whatsoever in transition stages? All those fossils of ape-men just jumping up out of the ground? All that evidence? Even the scientists are complaining there is no fossil record....every change is too "abrupt". Why is that?
 
noguru

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glorydaz said:
Ah, all that "evidence" that can't be found because it takes so long, right? All that mixing and matching that can't show any animal whatsoever in transition stages? All those fossils of ape-men just jumping up out of the ground? All that evidence? Even the scientists are complaining there is no fossil record....every change is too "abrupt". Why is that?
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Nope, the component processes have been verified through empirical testing. What evidence is there that your claimed "supernatural processes" are responsible?
 
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