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Those who do know Jesus would not agree with your summation...and I was saved through an American ministry
which one, if you don't mind me asking?
Those who do know Jesus would not agree with your summation...and I was saved through an American ministry
That sense of "oughtness" we all feel is the moral law given to all by the Moral Lawgiver—God. It is not that morals do not exist, it is that they have been supplanted by a fallen mankind who know these laws but have replaced them with vain imaginations per Romans 1:18-32.Actually, I don't confuse religion with morality. I believe that religion is part of morality which stems from God to begin with.
Everything you listed in your OP as "morality" was in fact morality according to a specific religion. And fewer and fewer people are willing to allow that religion to dictate their moral imperatives, anymore. It's not that people are becoming immoral. It's that they are rejecting that religious dominance of moral ideology that they used to believe they had to accept.Actually, I don't confuse religion with morality. I believe that religion is part of morality which stems from God to begin with.
[M]y own daughter has turned away from the faith in Christ I raised her in
If there is life, there is hope (Neh 4:14). After death--no hope (2 Co 5:8, Mk 3:33-35). moreI too believe there is hope...
Everything you listed in your OP as "morality" was in fact morality according to a specific religion. And fewer and fewer people are willing to allow that religion to dictate their moral imperatives, anymore. It's not that people are becoming immoral. It's that they are rejecting that religious dominance of moral ideology that they used to believe they had to accept.
The down side of this rejection is that without religion dictating our moral imperatives, we have to determine them for ourselves. And that creates a certain degree of 'moral chaos', which I think is what you and many others are really noticing and commenting on.
Conservatives always want to 'conserve' the status quo, and so they are naturally going to be against this changing moral dynamic. As they will see it is some sort of 'downfall'. But it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's just confusing.
We are living in complicated times. With many different cultural messages. And with an "every-man-for-himself' economy that's getting more and more ruthless and aggressive every day. It can be difficult for people to hear and follow their consciences in such a melee.It's only confusing when someone has ignored their God-given conscience for so long they no longer recognize right from wrong.
We are living in complicated times. With many different cultural messages. And with an "every-man-for-himself' economy that's getting more and more ruthless and aggressive every day. It can be difficult for people to hear and follow their consciences in such a melee.
But then I doubt it was ever easy.
Someone must have hijacked your account patrick as those words certainly aren't coming from the same person who wrote these words just over a month ago:
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4404135&postcount=12Originally Posted by patrick jane
P.S. i am not against homosexuals or gay marriage either when based on love and family and doing good and charitable deeds. Jesus Christ's Commandments are from the Father and His teachings are as well. Meshak is right -
...I think that the time might be drawing near for God to usher in the Tribulation Period...
...Too many people these days confuse moral conventions with civil authority.
You don't control culture. No one does. The fact that you think you can control it indicates that you don't recognize or respect reality. You think you own it as if you were God. And that you can judge it and condemn it and control it as if you were God.We're not handing our culture over to reprobates (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10, Lk 19:13, Jn 9:4, Mt 5:13-16). :dizzy:
You don't control culture. No one does. The fact that you think you can control it indicates that you don't recognize or respect reality. You think you own it as if you were God. And that you can judge it and condemn it and control it as if you were God.
When did Christianity become so insanely arrogant?
My response was to one person, but the question was open to all.Wouldn't that just be one person?
You don't control culture.
What you are is blinded by your own self-righteousness. So much so that you think you are as God; ruler and judge of all the world, and of everyone on it.We are salt and light (Mt 5:13-16). If you had your way (Eccl 10:2, Jn 10:10) we would be more putrid.
What you are is blinded by your own self-righteousness. So much so that you think you are as God; ruler and judge of all the world, and of everyone on it.