Miscellaneous and Varied Truth's of scripture!

[Nanja]

You are both wrong. Jesus is not an angel. This is verified in Hebrews 1:6

Hebrews 1:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

Who is this angel? One who does God's bidding.

angel; aggelos

simply means Messenger.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G32&t=KJV

In Rev. 20:1 Christ is the Messenger who has the keys of hell and death of Rev. 1:18.

 

[Bright Raven]

angel; aggelos

simply means Messenger.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G32&t=KJV

In Rev. 20:1 Christ is the Messenger who has the keys of hell and death of Rev. 1:18.

Then you need to answer, is Christ an angel.

 

[Nanja]

Then you need to answer, is Christ an angel.

I believe that the Angel in John's vision Rev. 20:1-3 is the Lord Jesus Christ !

 

[Bright Raven]

I believe that the Angel in John's vision Rev. 20:1-3 is the Lord Jesus Christ !

There is no capitalization of the word angel in the scriptures to bring forth the thought that this is the angel of the Lord. Would you expound further on why you believe this angel to be the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[Nanja]

Translations of the scripture may or may not capitalize certain words, that's why when coming to Truth, God's elect compare scripture with scripture 1 Cor. 2:13.

Now Christ is the only Angel / Messenger that has the keys of hell and death Rev. 1:18: That's exclusive to Him alone !

 

[Bright Raven]

Translations of the scripture may or may not capitalize certain words, that's why when coming to Truth, God's elect compare scripture with scripture 1 Cor. 2:13.

Now Christ is the only Angel / Messenger that has the keys of hell and death Rev. 1:18: That's exclusive to Him alone !

could Christ have given those keys to another and if not, why not?

 

[Nanja]

One may argue, but Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the Whole World Jn 4:42

42 And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.


He is the Saviour of the World in that the Israel He is the Saviour of was not Just ethnic jews. The Israel He is the Saviour of is the Elect of God out of every tongue and nation, The Israel of God. So the World of Jn 4:42 is no different group of people than the Israel here spoken of Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

And so if we preach the Resurrection of Christ as being A Saviour to all people[every human being] without exception, then we preach and believe amiss concerning the Resurrection of Christ. Again Look at Paul's Gospel Sermon in Acts 13:23, He is very specific who Christ was raised an Saviour unto according to God's Promise, and So must any God called Preacher be or any testimony of the Death, Burial,and Resurrection of Christ !

Amen ! Excellent 4-part study on the Resurrection of Christ !

beloved57

Another fact about the Resurrection of Christ that is essential to Gospel Preaching, which is that Christ's Resurrection was not for all men without exception, but He was according to Paul's Preaching, He was raised up a Saviour to Israel or God's Elect Acts 13:23

23 Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:

Israel here is the Israel of God Gal 6:16, a Spiritual Israel !

Now understand, whomever Christ died for He was raised for,and whoever He was raised for, He is Raised as their Saviour, so they are Saved, simple as that. Its not that He is their Saviour if they decide to accept Him, or if they let Him be, but that He is their Saviour Period ! That means they have been Saved from all the evil consequences of their sins. Now according to Acts 13:23, A God inspired sermon, for both jews and gentiles [See Acts 13:42] Who was Jesus Christ raised up a Saviour unto ? Was it all mankind without exception ? No, for its plainly stated, it was unto Israel, God's Chosen People in Him,and Paul said that this was according to Promise.There is no other people God has Promised to Save with an Everlasting Salvation [Through Christ] Isa 45:17

And so if we preach the Resurrection of Christ as being A Saviour to all people[every human being] without exception, then we preach and believe amiss concerning the Resurrection of Christ. Again Look at Paul's Gospel Sermon in Acts 13:23, He is very specific who Christ was raised an Saviour unto according to God's Promise, and So must any God called Preacher be or any testimony of the Death, Burial,and Resurrection of Christ !

 

[Nanja]

Isa 6:10

10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

To see with the eyes [spiritually] to hear with the ears [spiritually] to understand with the heart [spiritually] and convert [spiritually] and be healed

These are all spiritual activities that would evidence one being healed by the stripes of Christ 1 Pet 2:24

24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Now if a man does those things in order to get healed, see spiritually, and hear spiritually, and understand with the heart spiritually, and convert themselves spiritually,

Then they were healed by themselves before Christ healed them, yes they were already not spiritually blind, already not spiritually deaf, already not spiritually without understanding and etc, so they already saved themselves before Christ did.

That's what's believed today in organized religion.

Exactly Brother !

But we know scripture teaches that there is no gospel and obtaining Salvation, neither eternal blessings, to those Jesus came to make blind.

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Eph. 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

 

[Nanja]

God does cause men to believe Lies ! 1 Kings 22:21-23

21 And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the Lord, and said, I will persuade him.

22 And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so.

23 Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee.

Yes, because lying spirits are directed by Him to serve His Purpose. Those who believe doctrines of devils or demons do so according to God's Sovereign will 1 Tim 4:1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

That's also why many shall believe Lies 2 Thess 2:11-12

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

God does not send them a strong delusion for just a temporary, but it is that they in the end might be damned or condemned as in 1 Cor 11:32

32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.

God takes personal responsibility for deceiving a person Ezk 14:9

9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and will destroy him from the midst of my people Israel.

Amen, it is the Lord that put the lying spirit in the mouth of those prophets, for it is He who is the First Cause of their lying according to His Eternal Purpose Eph. 3:11, and He will be Just in punishing them right along with these liars in the Day of Judgment.

Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

[Nanja]

That we men by nature are adverse to true spiritual light is indicated here Jn 3:19-21

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

When its stated in Vs 19, their works were evil, what is being spoken of here ? Look at 1 Jn 3:12

12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Now to better understand what cain's evil deeds were, it was not his killing his brother Abel, that came after, lets read Gen 4:2-7

2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

3 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord.

4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

5 But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.

6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

The answer is in Vs 3

"Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord"

The evil deeds were Cain's seeking acceptance with God based on his works, the best that he could do, good old works religion, opposed to Abel's whose sacrifice indicates that he sought acceptance with God based upon the revelation of the coming seed of the woman, the Lamb slain from the foundation.

Folks evil deeds in God's sight is all man does in the way of religion, even so sincere religion, to find acceptance with God, apart from the revelation of the Person and Work of Christ, which is a very narrow way Matt 7:14

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

We men by nature are adverse to the Light of the narrow discriminating message of the Light. The way is hard because its Truths are hard to understand and receive Jn 6:60

Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it? The word hard sklēros:

hard, harsh, rough, stiff

a) of men: metaph. harsh, stern, hard

b) of things: violent, rough, offensive, intolerable

AMP When His disciples heard this, many of them said, This is a hard and difficult and strange saying (an offensive and unbearable message). Who can stand to hear it? [Who can be expected to listen to such teaching?]

These truths are hard to receive by the unregenerate, who then twist them because they do not understand and receive them 2 Pet 3:16

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

Jude 1:9-10

10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain[Self Righteous religion], and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

They do not understand also because they be devoid of the Spirit of Truth Jude 1:19

19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

They despise the Light of the Truth !

Amen Brother, and no amount of freewill the natural man exercises can cause him to love and receive the Light of Spiritual Truth.

Is. 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Nanja]

Gal 3:18

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

What is this Inheritance ? This Inheritance is Salvation/ Eternal Life or Eternal Inheritance Heb 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Notice here and Gal 3:18 the Inheritance is designated a Promise. Also Gal is written also to Gentiles whom this Promise was made to.

This Inheritance was typified here in God's Word of Promise Gen 17:8

8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession[ possession by inheritance]and I will be their God.

This is what Paul refers to as the Promise made to Abraham and His Seed confirmed 430 years before His Physical Seed was given the Law Gal 3:16-18


16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

And it is revealed Now under the Gospel, that the Seed the Promise was made to was Christ, of whom in this regard Abraham was a Type, a Figure, and it was made to Christ as a Covenant Head of His Chosen Seed in Him before the world began Titus 1:1-2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Yes, this Promise of Eternal Life Promised before the World Began, is the exact same Promise to Abraham and His Seed Gen 17:8.

For Canaan was an Inheritance to the Physical Seed of Abraham [Josh 14:1], as a Type to the Spiritual Seed of Abraham who inherit the Everlasting Canaan, Life Eternal by Promise.

Now understand this, Paul reveals something in Gal 3 that many, the vast majority do not believe nor understand, and that is the Promises made to Abraham Gen 12:1-3;17:5-8 is the Gospel Gal 3:8-18


This is important because it informs us that Salvation, Eternal Life, the Eternal Inheritance has been promised only to a specific Seed, A Chosen People, The Seed of Abraham, a Seed separated from all other Peoples, and that the Promise is not based upon any conditions they must fulfill or perform, not even One, for their Covenant Head has done so in their Behalf, and that Makes sure the Promise [of Eternal Inheritance] to all the Seed !

beloved57

Now understand this, Paul reveals something in Gal 3 that many, the vast majority do not believe nor understand, and that is the Promises made to Abraham Gen 12:1-3;17:5-8 is the Gospel Gal 3:8-18

Amen Brother, it's the exact same Gospel of the Promised Inheritance Gen. 17:8 that God's Elect, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham, the Seed of Christ Gal. 3:16, was predestinated to before the foundation Eph. 1:4-11, or before the World began:

2 Tim. 1:8-9

8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works [or condition we meet], but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,


Eph. 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

 

[beloved57]

beloved57




Amen Brother, it's the exact same Gospel of the Promised Inheritance Gen. 17:8 that God's Elect, the Spiritual Seed of Abraham, the Seed of Christ Gal. 3:16, was predestinated to before the foundation Eph. 1:4-11, or before the World began:

2 Tim. 1:8-9

8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works [or condition we meet], but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,


Eph. 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Amen Excllent scriptures.

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[Nanja]

Grace given to those in time by Christ, for them whom He died for, to believe by it Acts 18:27, Paul writes of it here and experienced as will all who shall believe. 1 Tim 1:1-14

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

Both Faith and Love are in Christ's Fulness Col 1:19

19 For it pleased the Father that in him[Christ] should all fulness dwell;

Now this is Christ as the Head of the Church, His Body which is stated before in Col 1:18

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And so, all who are part of His Body which He is the Saviour of Eph 5:23

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

All of them do receive from Him of or out of His Fulness Grace for Grace John 1:16

And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

This speaks also to the abundance of Grace in Him for His Body the Church.

And Paul who was once a blasphemer and injurious to Christ and His Body in UNBELIEF, did Sovereignly receive of the abundance of Grace in Christ His Saviour giving him Faith[Belief] and Love for Christ and His People !

And Paul here stated that he was made an example of how Christ does by His Grace communicated, how men are made believers unto Salvation 1 Tim 1:16

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

Believing on Christ unto Salvation is because of His Grace abounding to one as in 1 Tim 1:14.

Also, the Longsuffering God shows toward His Elect while they are ignorant in unbelief, shall issue at last to their Salvation and conversion.

That's what Peter means also here when speaking of God's Longsuffering to us-ward 2 Pet 3:9,15

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

So 1 Tim 1:14 is Paul's Example Illustration of Jn 1:16 on how each member of the Body, the Church receives Grace from its Head.

Paul intimates that here also 1 Cor 1:4

4 I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

Paul also could be referring to that Grace given to the Church in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

In both instances He uses the prep en !

All this was to show that the Grace given the Church in Christ their Head before the world began, is likewise given or communicated to them in the time realm for their conversion from sin and unbelief !

Amen to both parts #406 and #407, and TY Brother for this excellent study in the Word:

Grace Given Before the World Began !

 

[beloved57]

Amen to both parts #406 and #407, and TY Brother for this excellent study in the Word:

Grace Given Before the World Began !

Bless you Sister !

 

[Nanja]

Bless you Sister !

Bless you too my Brother !

 

[Nanja]

Was Judas the traitor present when the Lord shared with the disciples the institution of the Lord's Supper ? The answer is no, by that time he [judas] had left to go make arrangements to be tray his Master Many think because of Lk 22:21

21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

The key here is the word's "on the table", the passover table is meant !

This coincides with Matt 26:21

21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.

However this does not mean that judas was with them when the Lord's Supper commenced after the Passover !

This begins with them all celebrating the passover meal, a Jewish holiday, and it was a meal that judas, being a physical descendant of the Abraham, and his ancestors that took part of the original passover in Exodus 12, of which many of whom were not even believers, for most of them perished in the wilderness , as it is written Heb 3:7-12;4:1-6

Now we know that this [the passover meal or table] is that which judas shared in by comments Matt 26:23

23 And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.

Passover dish !

Jn 13:26

26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

The custom of the passover meal was to take a piece of meat or bread and dip it into a common bowl of sauce on the Table !

Again this was a already existing custom for the historical passover meal celebration, which judas had a right to as a physical jew ! But the commencement of the Lords supper had not yet began !

Now the record shows that after judas took the sop, he said " is it i rabbi ? Jesus replied, thou hast said ! Matt 26:25

25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

Now at this very same point in time in John's account it reads Jn 13:26-27,30

26 Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.

27 And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.

And vs 30 confirms that judas departed immediately after the sop Vs 30

30 He then having received the sop went immediately out: and it was night.

This time coincides with Matt 26:25

25 Then Judas, which betrayed him, answered and said, Master, is it I? He said unto him, Thou hast said.

And it was afterwards, after the sop of passover, and he left into the night, that the Lords Supper began Vs 26

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.

However at this point judas had left into the night !

TY Brother, perfectly explained !

And Looking so forward to Our Lord's Precious Promise of that Glorious Day in Mat. 26:29 !

 

[beloved57]

TY Brother, perfectly explained !

And Looking so forward to Our Lord's Precious Promise of that Glorious Day in Mat. 26:29 !

I'm so glad you brought this up so refreshing.

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[Nanja]

I'm so glad you brought this up so refreshing.

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Yes, it surely is !

 

[Nanja]

The Eternal Life given [not offered or made available] but given to the "as many as" here in Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

This Eternal Life was also promised to them through Him before the World Began Titus 1:2

Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

No one is given this Eternal Life save those God promised it to before the world began in Christ. It was not promised to be made available, or to be offered, those are false teachings of men !

The promise of Eternal Life is based upon Christ's Surety engagements He was to perform in their behalf in due time, so He was given as a Covenant of the People [He was to save] Isa 42:6-7

6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; Gentiles who were also benefactors of the Covenant He was made to be.

7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.

That this is True [The Covenant Engagement] it is derived from the fact that from the beginning He was that Eternal Life that would later be manifested to the benefactors 1 Jn 1:1-2

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us )

Notice that the Eternal Life was with the Father, Because it was Christ the Word. Remember John said in His Gospel this Jn 1:1-4

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

That Life in Him would be that Eternal Life of 1 Jn 1:2

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us )

And in the Beginning it was promised to them whom He represented in the Covenant Engagement 1 Jn 2:25

25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

The Promise was foundationed by their Covenant Union in the Son by Election in Him 1 Jn 5:11

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him[The Son] before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Thats who the as many as are of Jn 17:2, those here Chosen in Him the Son before the foundation of the World.

Again, the teaching now a days that Eternal Life is offered to everyone without exception and all they have to do is accept it, that teaching is false, it has no support from the Word of God !

Eternal Life given has always been based upon a Promise of God to give it to a certain People !

Amen and Amen to Parts 1 and 2 !

 

[beloved57]

Amen and Amen to Parts 1 and 2 !

Bless God for you Sister!