Miscellaneous and Varied Truth's of scripture!
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Dear Nanja: NONSENSE!
The hilasmos of the holos encompasses the whole sick and suffering world of lost sinners. Every last one!
"He is the Mercy Seat for our sins AND not for our sins ONLY but for the whole ungodly multitude."
God is the Source, Guide & Goal of ta panta.
Not only the elect: God is the beginning and ending of the all!
beloved57
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False teaching, because the wrath of God abides on many Jn 3:36
36 [FONT="]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
So Christ cannot be their propitiation, thats a contradiction ![/FONT]
False teaching, because the wrath of God abides on many Jn 3:36
36 [FONT="]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
So Christ cannot be their propitiation, thats a contradiction ![/FONT]
Nanja
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Exactly, such as these which were not reconciled to God by Christ's Death: Hence, they must pay the wages for their own sins in the lake of fire Rom. 6:23a; the second death:
Rev. 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Keep reading the whole glorious chapter!
8 But God gives proof of His love to us in Christ's dying for us while we were still sinners.
9 If therefore we have now been pronounced free from guilt through His blood, much more shall we be delivered from God's anger through Him.
10 For if while we were hostile to God we were reconciled to Him through the death of His Son, it is still more certain that now that we are reconciled, we shall obtain salvation through Christ's life.
11 And not only so, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now obtained that reconciliation.
12 What follows? This comparison. Through one man sin entered into the world, and through sin death, and so death passed to all mankind in turn, in that all sinned.
13 For prior to the Law sin was already in the world; only it is not entered in the account against us when no Law exists.
14 Yet Death reigned as king from Adam to Moses even over those who had not sinned, as Adam did, against Law. And in Adam we have a type of Him whose coming was still future.
15 But God's free gift immeasurably outweighs the transgression. For if through the transgression of the one individual the mass of mankind have died, infinitely greater is the generosity with which God's grace, and the gift given in His grace which found expression in the one man Jesus Christ, have been bestowed on the mass of mankind.
16 And it is not with the gift as it was with the results of one individual's sin; for the judgement which one individual provoked resulted in condemnation, whereas the free gift after a multitude of transgressions results in acquittal.
17 For if, through the transgression of the one individual, Death made use of the one individual to seize the sovereignty, all the more shall those who receive God's overflowing grace and gift of righteousness reign as kings in Life through the one individual, Jesus Christ.
18 It follows then that just as the result of a single transgression is a condemnation which extends to the whole race, so also the result of a single decree of righteousness is a life-giving acquittal which extends to the whole race.
19 For as through the disobedience of the one individual the mass of mankind were constituted sinners, so also through the obedience of the One the mass of mankind will be constituted righteous.
20 Now Law was brought in later on, so that transgression might increase. But where sin increased, grace has overflowed;
21 in order that as sin has exercised kingly sway in inflicting death, so grace, too, may exercise kingly sway in bestowing a righteousness which results in the Life of the Ages through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Adam1= the polus "made sinners">>>>>>>
The Last Adam= the polus "made righteous".
Dear St John: Please be advised you are declaring a false teaching according to beloved57. How did you actually get into Canon?
He is the propitiation for our sins>>>>>>
and not for our sins ONLY
but for the sins of the WHOLE/pas world.
"What if God, choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath–prepared for destruction." Romans 9:22
Fitted/ Prepared=katartivzw
Katartivzw=
To render or to fit.
To make sound or complete.
To mend what has been broken or rent.
To repair what has been broken or rent.
To put in order.
To arrange. To adjust.
To fit or frame for one’s self.
To strengthen, to perfect, to complete.
To make one what he aught to be.
Dr. Marvin Vincent
Fitted/prepared= kathrtismena=
Literally: adjusted or mended.
My friend: God loves you and will never let you go!
Fitted/ Prepared=katartivzw
Katartivzw=
To render or to fit.
To make sound or complete.
To mend what has been broken or rent.
To repair what has been broken or rent.
To put in order.
To arrange. To adjust.
To fit or frame for one’s self.
To strengthen, to perfect, to complete.
To make one what he aught to be.
Dr. Marvin Vincent
Fitted/prepared= kathrtismena=
Literally: adjusted or mended.
My friend: God loves you and will never let you go!
beloved57
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Continuing in your false teaching. Men are under Gods Wrath and shall not see life!
Nonsense!
The wrath of God leads to the glory of His Presence by making mankind what He desires it to be!
God is ta panta
Even you, beloved57 will ultimately see life. It is on the horizon as you rise from spiritual death into His Glory.
Life
“St. John uses a very broad expression. ‘Jesus Christ,’ he says, ‘is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our only, but also for the sins of the whole world.’
‘The whole world. Ah,’ some would say, ‘that is dangerous language.’
It is God’s language – John speaking as he was moved by the Holy Spirit.
It throws a zone of mercy around the world. Perish the thought that would narrow it by a hand’s breadth.” - Thomas Guthrie-
He is the Mercy Seat for the whole world
Note:
Not some of the world, the hilasmos of the holos!
“St. John uses a very broad expression. ‘Jesus Christ,’ he says, ‘is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our only, but also for the sins of the whole world.’
‘The whole world. Ah,’ some would say, ‘that is dangerous language.’
It is God’s language – John speaking as he was moved by the Holy Spirit.
It throws a zone of mercy around the world. Perish the thought that would narrow it by a hand’s breadth.” - Thomas Guthrie-
He is the Mercy Seat for the whole world
Note:
Not some of the world, the hilasmos of the holos!
beloved57
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More denial and false teaching !
beloved57
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Jesus Christ says those under the wrath of God shall not see life Jn 3::36
36 [FONT="]He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
[/FONT]fine linen says or implys a without exception shall see life
Now who do you believe fine linen or Jesus Christ ?
Nanja
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I believe Jesus Christ !
The True Gospel is hid from fine linen because he/she is spiritually lost !
2 Cor. 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world [satan] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Eph. 4:18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
Dear beloved57: We can evade St. John, skip the verses in Romans 5, evade St. Paul with gusto to our great loss.
But
The Master of Reconciliation will draw, drag, impel with power all mankind unto Himself. Make that the radical all/pas!
Your second word for today= helkuo
Every knee, every mouth, every dimension of the heavens, the earth, & the underworld bowing before Him in unrestrained worship IN/En the Name of all names
Yup: In His Name, every last being of Father's world!
Dear Nanja: You and beloved are a great learning experience on what constitutes the dynamo of the Life of Jesus Christ.
God is the Source, Guide & Goal of ta panta
beloved57
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You are evading , rejecting what Jesus says of them the wrath of God abides on. They shall not see life. You lie and say they shall see life !
Dear beloved57: Wrath is not the final outcome of the Master. The final outcome is change and transformation by He who kills and makes alive.
You and Nanja are in dire need of metamorphoo and a vision of the One who does all things well.
In Him the whole of created life worships the Ancient of Days
Every created thing (pan ktisma).
Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from ktizw, for which see 1 Timothy 4:4 ; James 1:18 ), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse James 3 , with on the sea epi th qalassh added).
No created thing is left out.
This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (ktisi) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption.
If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off.
Saying (legonta). Masculine (construction according to sense, personifying the created things) if genuine, though some MSS. have legonta (grammatical gender agreeing with panta) present active participle of legw, to say. And to the Lamb (kai twi arniwi). Dative case. Praise and worship are rendered to the Lamb precisely as to God on the throne. Note separate articles here in the doxology as in Romans 4:11 and the addition of to krato (active power) in place of iscu (reserve of strength) in Romans 5:12
beloved57
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Some shall not see life, the wrath of God abides on them Jn 3:36
beloved57: You neither know what the wrath of God is or the final outcome! There are over 22 distinct words in the Old Covenant for destruction, of those there are at least 6 linking destruction with being brought to perfection and transformation.
But rather than focusing on this, listen closely to the Master of Salvation>>>
"But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.