So none of the women having babies today are born of the Spirit?
Messianic Judaism Gaining Momentum in Israel
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I know lots of Jews that do.
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Because Christ and his gospel had not come into the world yet. The Old covenant was for carnal minded men. The new covenant is for spiritually minded men and women in Christ.
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Lots of Christians recognize Jesus but they don't truly believe in him like D'ists.
We are begotten of the Spirit, but not yet born.
We are in a spiritual gestation period.
No one is born before they are begotten.
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Good for you, but there may be some Jews who don't.
Do you also know any Jews who don't recognize Jesus as being the Christ?
Paul is not saying that just any man is a Jew inwardly, but that a true Jew is a Jew that is one inwardly by the circumcision of the heart reflecting GOD's desire for Israel.
Deu 10:16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Deu 30:6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
The term 'Jew' in Ro 2 is referring to the same 'Jew' as in Ro 3, those to whom GOD gave the oracles.
Gentiles do not become Jews.
It's a contradiction for people to cite Gal 3:28 to say that there are no Christians who are Jews, and then claim Rom 2:29 and say that they themselves are Christians who are Jews.
As I said, without the knowledge of what Yisra'el means you can't possibly understand what Paul was conveying...you have proven the point, thanks.
There most certainly are Jews that don't...most of them.
I know very many, and my task is to persuade them otherwise.
Every post I see from you is you telling someone how much they don't know, it's a disturbing pattern you have. What is like to know everything?
Israel is Scripturally defined as:
1) The man Jacob whose name GOD changed to Israel.
2) The nation which GOD built out of the twelve sons of Israel, becoming the twelve tribes.
3) During the divided kingdom after Solomon, the northern tribes designated as Israel.
4) The 'whole' house of Israel referring to the nation as composed of the twelve tribes in various Prophets.
5) The future prophesied remnant of the twelve tribes restored to the land promised to them.
6) The word Israel used to refer to the land promised irrevocably to Abraham and his descendants thru Isaac and Jacob.
7) 'The Israel of GOD' to which Paul refers to in Gal 6, meaning the circumcised heart believing remnant of the twelve tribes who will be restored to the land under Israel's Messiah at His second coming, according to prophecy.
GOD has not equivocated on His definition of the term 'Israel'.
Those that change GOD's definition pervert the Scriptures.
Clueless.
No... you are!
How has that worked for you?
Difficult, but not any more difficult than trying to reason with some folks on TOL.
Much of the time you act like no one has studied the Scripture or Biblical terms but you.
I've been studying the Scriptures as a believer for 38 years.
*The Hebrew word yisra-el is derived from two root words, Yisra which has an uncertain meaning but in the context it means to struggle or rule.
The other root word is 'el', which is used in Hebrew to refer to GOD.
Thus 'Israel' means to struggle with GOD, to be ruled by GOD or to rule with GOD.
Jacob surrendered to God in order to be ruled by God, thus began the early stages of the theocracy of the nation of Israel.
Paul never uses the term 'Israel' to refer to the church which is the Body of Christ, which is a new creation distinct from national Israel and composed of believers from all nations(including Israel) without rank. Jew and gentile are equal in the BOC. Before the formation of the BOC, Israel was the privileged nation.
The Father selects those he gives to Christ.
Christ has authority over all flesh and he began his body of believers with those he called out of Egypt.
In the NT he added those who should be added to his body.