Caledvwlch
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Sorry Stu, I'd hate to take ol' Striper's side on anything, but the source link was just to the right hand side of the OP. However, even in context, there's not much there.
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Sorry Stu, I'd hate to take ol' Striper's side on anything, but the source link was just to the right hand side of the OP. However, even in context, there's not much there.
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When people promise that all they have is ad hominem and nonsense, I see no point in continuing.
Try to engage on the main point. :up:
Alate_One
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Really? Newton's ideas are "self evidently true"?
The average person assumes a heavier object falls faster than a lighter one. But from experiment, we know this isn't the case.
The average person assumes that living organisms around him are set and cannot be changed. But from experiment we know selection can cause major changes in organisms.
Evolution is inevitable because:
Organisms are variable
That variability is inherited
Many offspring of organisms die due to the interactions of their variations and the environment
For example:
The Rock pocket mouse of the southwest comes in sandy brown and also black due to the sandy desert being interrupted by the black rock. An easy prediction in evolution. Axiomatic you might say . . .
If you started with a group of many colored mice and created an open topped enclosure with a surface painted white, you can imagine which color of mouse would predominate after a few generations.
When humans choose from the variability, we can create big differences in a short period of time.
Evolution can also be modeled mathematically. One of the common ones is the Hardy-Weinberg equation.
The average person assumes a heavier object falls faster than a lighter one. But from experiment, we know this isn't the case.
The average person assumes that living organisms around him are set and cannot be changed. But from experiment we know selection can cause major changes in organisms.
Evolution is inevitable because:
Organisms are variable
That variability is inherited
Many offspring of organisms die due to the interactions of their variations and the environment
For example:
The Rock pocket mouse of the southwest comes in sandy brown and also black due to the sandy desert being interrupted by the black rock. An easy prediction in evolution. Axiomatic you might say . . .
If you started with a group of many colored mice and created an open topped enclosure with a surface painted white, you can imagine which color of mouse would predominate after a few generations.
| Rock Pocket Mouse | |
When humans choose from the variability, we can create big differences in a short period of time.
Evolution can also be modeled mathematically. One of the common ones is the Hardy-Weinberg equation.
| Hardy-Weinberg | |
Some of them, yes.
They do.
Name one person who thinks populations cannot change. :up:
Nope. Evolution is just a theory. Feel free to share its axioms.
That's an axiom? :AMR:
Of course we know that Hardy-Weinberg equations are useful regardless of the truth of any theory of origins. We were looking for an axiom of evolution.
Try again. :up:
Alate_One
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Populations changing in genetic character over time IS evolution.
| Biological evolution ... is change in the properties of populations of organisms that transcend the lifetime of a single individual. The ontogeny of an individual is not considered evolution; individual organisms do not evolve. The changes in populations that are considered evolutionary are those that are inheritable via the genetic material from one generation to the next. Biological evolution may be slight or substantial; it embraces everything from slight changes in the proportion of different alleles within a population (such as those determining blood types) to the successive alterations that led from the earliest protoorganism to snails, bees, giraffes, and dandelions." - Douglas J. Futuyma in Evolutionary Biology, Sinauer Associates 1986 |
Hardy Weinberg can be used to describe populations changing over time, showing that evolution is happening.
What "origins" are you talking about?
Nope. Evolution is the idea that all life is descended from a single common ancestor by means of random mutation and natural selection.
Name one person who does not believe populations can change. :up:
Evolutionists think everything is evolution.
And a Bertillon can be used in phrenology. :idunno:
If you don't know what the thread is about, perhaps you should just remain silent. :up:
Nobody has promised this. You are lying, and running away from real discussion.
There is no main point. Just a vague quote from some site. You are lying, and running away from real discussion.
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Alate_One
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The book is called "origin of species". Maybe you could read it sometime.
That definition has been in place since Darwin published the idea. You just want to accept the part of evolution that's unbelievably obvious and reject the part that contradicts your beliefs.
You want axioms of evolution?
1. Species come from other species
3. Species are naturally found near similar species
4. Species are found geographically close to fossils that most resemble them
5. Creatures found as fossils in rock are not identical to organisms alive today
6. Fossils deeper in rock strata (older), look less like animals alive today than those from shallower rocks(younger)
You do know what an axiom is, right? :chuckle:
Alate_One
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They're as much axioms as Newton's ideas.
Really?
Can you find an exception to the inverse-square law for objects on a macro scale?
None occurs to me offhand. Do you know of any? And if so- why is it important to this discussion?
Alate_One
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Notice you had the caveat "on a macro scale". Laws/Axioms in science aren't always true in all situations situations, that's why we have theories to more fully explain them.
That species come from other species is as certain as cells coming from other cells. We have no evidence showing either of them suddenly popping out of nowhere.
