Mark or sign in the hand or forehead

CherubRam

CherubRam

New member
Mark or sign in the hand or forehead


Revelation 13:16
It also caused people everywhere, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to accept a mark in their right hands or upon their foreheads, 17 so no one could buy or sell unless they had the mark of the beast, or its name, or the number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, and the number of a man. That number is six hundred and sixty six.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations



Revelation 19:20
But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he deceives those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.
In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

The marks are signs and the signs are marks. The sign is the mark of the beast.

What sign is specifically made with the right hand that would also involve the forehead, and that is attributed to a (beast / nation?)



The parabolic meaning of beast

(Ecc 3:18) I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. (Peoples of the nations.)


Israel's descendants were mixed among the gentiles, or as stated, "seed of men mixed with the seed of beasts"

(Jer 31:27) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.

God pronounced that His New Marriage Covenant to Israel would be with the beasts.(Nations)


(Hos 2:18) And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

(Beasts / Nations) (Field / world) (Nations use birds and other creatures to represent their nations.)



Beast Are Kingdoms Or Nations


Psalm 57:4
I am in the midst of lions; I am forced to dwell among ravenous beasts— men whose teeth are spears and arrows, whose tongues are sharp swords.

Daniel 7:17
‘The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth.

Daniel 7:23
“He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it.

Revelation 16:10
The fifth angel poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness. People gnawed their tongues in agony

Revelation 17:11
The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

Revelation 17:12
“The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast.


For contemplating only. Do not reply to this thread.
 
Idolater

Idolater

"Foundation of the World" Dispensationalist χρ
666 is gematria for Caesar Nero when written in Hebrew. This is confirmed by copies of Revelation that read 616, which is gematria for Caesar Nero in Greek, instead of in Hebrew. Whatever else is going on in Revelation, we do know that Mr. 666 is Nero. And this is further confirmed in the context of what Nero did to members of the church in Rome, including burning Christians alive, and executing both Peter and Paul.
 
CherubRam

CherubRam

New member
Idolater said:
666 is gematria for Caesar Nero when written in Hebrew. This is confirmed by copies of Revelation that read 616, which is gematria for Caesar Nero in Greek, instead of in Hebrew. Whatever else is going on in Revelation, we do know that Mr. 666 is Nero. And this is further confirmed in the context of what Nero did to members of the church in Rome, including burning Christians alive, and executing both Peter and Paul.
Click to expand...

You need to do more studying then that.
 
7djengo7

7djengo7

This space intentionally left blank
Idolater said:
666 is gematria for Caesar Nero when written in Hebrew. This is confirmed by copies of Revelation that read 616, which is gematria for Caesar Nero in Greek, instead of in Hebrew. Whatever else is going on in Revelation, we do know that Mr. 666 is Nero. And this is further confirmed in the context of what Nero did to members of the church in Rome, including burning Christians alive, and executing both Peter and Paul.
Click to expand...

But, more recently, you wrote:

Idolater said:
The first New Testament book wasn't written until AD 50, and the whole New Testament wasn't finished until AD 70 at earliest.
Click to expand...

Nero died in A.D. 68. When would you say Revelation was finished? A.D. 70 at earliest? What NT book would you say was the last one finished, if not Revelation?

In fact, we do not know that 666 is a reference to Nero, since it isn't.
 
binyamin7

binyamin7

Active member
This is clearly not Nero. How could it be, this is a clear reference to the prophecies in Daniel (so much so some Jewish scholars have said Revelation is a rip off the Prophets), and Daniel could never be understood until the time of the end when there will be a dramatic increase in knowledge (Dan 12:4). If you look it up we are the only generation that has ever witnessed a knowledge "explosion" until which these prophecies were "sealed". So here we are in the appropriate generation and now we can see how someone could control your ability to buy or sell with a "mark".

A microchip would fit the bill well.

Now as for what 666 means specifically? A couple interesting notes on this:

1. If you look up "www." in Hebrew it is vav vav vav, or numberically 666.

2. If you look up "allah" in Arabic and then look up the earliest copies of Rev 13: 18 we have, it looks very much alike. Could this have been the original intented meaning? Is this a double entendtre?

Anyway you look at it there is no way someone can come to a preterist replacement theology opinion based on a study of the text, because it isn't true or intended, apart from the teaching of men influencing the text.
 
C

clefty

New member
binyamin7 said:
This is clearly not Nero. How could it be, this is a clear reference to the prophecies in Daniel (so much so some Jewish scholars have said Revelation is a rip off the Prophets), and Daniel could never be understood until the time of the end when there will be a dramatic increase in knowledge (Dan 12:4). If you look it up we are the only generation that has ever witnessed a knowledge "explosion" until which these prophecies were "sealed". So here we are in the appropriate generation and now we can see how someone could control your ability to buy or sell with a "mark".

A microchip would fit the bill well.

Now as for what 666 means specifically? A couple interesting notes on this:

1. If you look up "www." in Hebrew it is vav vav vav, or numberically 666.

2. If you look up "allah" in Arabic and then look up the earliest copies of Rev 13: 18 we have, it looks very much alike. Could this have been the original intented meaning? Is this a double entendtre?

Anyway you look at it there is no way someone can come to a preterist replacement theology opinion based on a study of the text, because it isn't true or intended, apart from the teaching of men influencing the text.
Click to expand...

For me its 2 divided by 3 = .666

So the number of man is actually a form of demoncracy...social power...where 2 can overpower the 3rd...man= his numbers and his traditions...

His Ways remain however...being the minority...a remnant...and certainly not catholic (universal)

the reason the Way is so narrow...
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top