ECT MADists don't follow Paul

[tetelestai]

not sure if you'll answer so,,,,,ad70 to ad150 is 80 years after the destruction of the temple. It's estimated that Josephus finished around ad95-96 . So ad95-96 to the birth of COA is 55 years. is there someone else you know of that taught perterism in those 55 years?

Why those 55 years?

Why not go back even further.

Ignatius Theophorus said the following before Josephus:

"It is absurd to speak of Jesus Christ with the tongue, and to cherish in the mind a Judaism which has now come to an end. For where there is Christianity there cannot be Judaism. For Christ is one, in whom every nation that believes, and every tongue that confesses, is gathered unto God.” - The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians, Chapter 10

Have you noticed that we keep going further, and further back, and keep finding someone older than the previous person who preached Preterism?

We're almost back to 70AD.

Do you want to keep going? This is kinda fun.

 

[whitestone]

I think you are confusing chiliasm with premillenialism.

If not, please give a quote from Justin Martyr that shows he is pre-mill?

hmmm,lets see "click the link and notice thats whats written on it by the preterits"

 

[tetelestai]

Before we go back further, one more quote from Ignatius Theophorus :

"I advise you, be ye zealous to do all things in godly concord, the bishop presiding after the likeness of God and the presbyters after the likeness of the council of the Apostles, with the deacons also who are most dear to me, having been entrusted with the diaconate of Jesus Christ, who was with the Father before the worlds and appeared at the end of time."

Why is it that all these early church fathers, Paul, Peter, John, and the writer of Hebrews understood that right before 70AD, they all considered it the "end of time", "the culmination of the ages", "the last days", etc. but Darby Followers still think it's all the yet future?

 

[whitestone]

Why those 55 years?

Why not go back even further.

Ignatius Theophorus said the following before Josephus:

"It is absurd to speak of Jesus Christ with the tongue, and to cherish in the mind a Judaism which has now come to an end. For where there is Christianity there cannot be Judaism. For Christ is one, in whom every nation that believes, and every tongue that confesses, is gathered unto God.” - The Epistle of Ignatius to the Magnesians, Chapter 10

Have you noticed that we keep going further, and further back, and keep finding someone older than the previous person who preached Preterism?

We're almost back to 70AD.

Do you want to keep going? This is kinda fun.

and what will we do when we read across those chilliest,or those who held the six day/6000 year stance go on gut instinct and say they are incorrect?

 

[whitestone]

Before we go back further, one more quote from Ignatius Theophorus :

"I advise you, be ye zealous to do all things in godly concord, the bishop presiding after the likeness of God and the presbyters after the likeness of the council of the Apostles, with the deacons also who are most dear to me, having been entrusted with the diaconate of Jesus Christ, who was with the Father before the worlds and appeared at the end of time."

Why is it that all these early church fathers, Paul, Peter, John, and the writer of Hebrews understood that right before 70AD, they all considered it the "end of time", "the culmination of the ages", "the last days", etc. but Darby Followers still think it's all the yet future?

if the wheat is found to contain tares in the end is it not so both were left until the harvest?

 

[tetelestai]

and what will we do when we read across those chilliest,or those who held the six day/6000 year stance go on gut instinct and say they are incorrect?

You keep missing the point.

The early church fathers were all over the place on their doctrinal positions.

However, what Darby invented in the mid 1800's cannot be found in any writings from the early church fathers.

Preterism on the other hand can be found in almost all of the early church fathers in some form, despite the fact that a lot of them were chiliasists (millennialists)

 

[tetelestai]

if the wheat is found to contain tares in the end is it not so both were left until the harvest?

Yes.

The wheat were put into the barn in 70AD, and the tares were bundled and burned (the destruction of Judah and Jerusalem in 70AD)

 

[whitestone]

You keep missing the point.

The early church fathers were all over the place on their doctrinal positions.

However, what Darby invented in the mid 1800's cannot be found in any writings from the early church fathers.

Preterism on the other hand can be found in almost all of the early church fathers in some form, despite the fact that a lot of them were chiliasists (millennialists)

indeed we would end up discussing the phoenix the Arabians have and our symbols.

 

[whitestone]

Yes.

The wheat were put into the barn in 70AD, and the tares were bundled and burned (the destruction of Judah and Jerusalem in 70AD)

are you sure there not both sitting here waiting for the fall harvest,,who is under the curse?

 

[tetelestai]

are you sure there not both sitting here waiting for the fall harvest,,who is under the curse?

I'm pretty sure.

The 3 fall feasts were fulfilled in 70AD

(Matt 24:36) But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Not knowing the day or hour is a direct reference to the Feast of Trumpets. (the first of the 3 fall feasts that were fulfilled by Christ Jesus in 30AD)

 

[whitestone]

I'm pretty sure.

The 3 fall feasts were fulfilled in 70AD

(Matt 24:36) But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Not knowing the day or hour is a direct reference to the Feast of Trumpets. (the first of the 3 fall feasts that were fulfilled by Christ Jesus in 30AD)

1 Peter 4:17 KJV ,,,,is the beginning of something its end or is it only its beginning?

 

[tetelestai]

1 Peter 4:17 KJV ,,,,is the beginning of something its end or is it only its beginning?

Peter knew the wrath of God was soon going to happen to the Jews in Judaea and Jerusalem.

It began in 66AD (Great Jewish Revolt), and ended in 70AD

 

[tetelestai]

Peter warns of what would happen in the last days:

(2 Peter 3:3) Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires.

Jude references Peter, and confirms Peter's prophecy has come true:

(Jude 1:18-19) They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

Jude confirms that it was "the last days", and that Peter's warning about "the last days" had come true.

However, Darby Followers claim "the last days" are the yet future.

 

[whitestone]

I'm pretty sure.

The 3 fall feasts were fulfilled in 70AD

(Matt 24:36) But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

Not knowing the day or hour is a direct reference to the Feast of Trumpets. (the first of the 3 fall feasts that were fulfilled by Christ Jesus in 30AD)

tet, the grain offering determined when to add a month so it was not over-ripe or vice versa. It had to be the first fruits so the priest could not have them return too soon(not ripe),nor could they have them return to late(spot/blemish).So the priest would look at the grain and determine whether to change this month in the calendar and this is the way they knew when to have those return to the temple the next year.

If these days were not cut short Matthew 24:22 KJV , Mark 13:20 KJV ect. ,,,so if the days were not rearranged in Gods calendar then all flesh would perish (ripen to late) or become as spotted and blemished (could not be used/accepted). What took place in Jerusalem in ad70 consider why this took place and the days continued on.

 

[tetelestai]

tet, the grain offering determined when to add a month so it was not over-ripe or vice versa. It had to be the first fruits so the priest could not have them return too soon(not ripe),nor could they have them return to late(spot/blemish).

Christ Jesus was the firstfruits.

(1 Cor 15:23) But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

So the priest would look at the grain and determine whether to change this month in the calendar and this is the way they knew when to have those return to the temple the next year.

That's from the Talmud, not the Bible.

If these days were not cut short Matthew 24:22 KJV , Mark 13:20 KJV ect. ,,,so if the days were not rearranged in Gods calendar then all flesh would perish (ripen to late) or become as spotted and blemished (could not be used/accepted).

God the Father waited 40 years after the NC was put in place. 40 years is exactly how long God the Father waited when the OC was put in place.

If you study the typology of the OC and the 40 years, you will better understand the NC and the 40 years.

What took place in Jerusalem in ad70 consider why this took place and the day continued on.

What took place in Jerusalem in 70AD is exactly when God wanted it to take place.

The timing lines up perfect with the OT typologies, and NT prophecies give by Christ Jesus and His Apostles.

 

[whitestone]

Christ Jesus was the firstfruits.

(1 Cor 15:23) But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.



That's from the Talmud, not the Bible.


God the Father waited 40 years after the NC was put in place. 40 years is exactly how long God the Father waited when the OC was put in place.

If you study the typology of the OC and the 40 years, you will better understand the NC and the 40 years.



What took place in Jerusalem in 70AD is exactly when God wanted it to take place.

The timing lines up perfect with the OT typologies, and NT prophecies give by Christ Jesus and His Apostles.

1 Corinthians 15:23 KJV ,,,lol that one little comma,lol. In the koine Greek there would have been no punctuation maybe some type nomina sacra for Christ,,,me and those commas,,,

 

[tetelestai]

1 Corinthians 15:23 KJV ,,,lol that one little comma,lol. In the koine Greek there would have been no punctuation maybe some type nomina sacra for Christ,,,me and those commas,,,

Oxford commas, and Grandville Sharp's rule can wreck havoc on verses sometimes.

 

[journey]

There isn't two different gospels in the above.

There is one gospel preached to two very different groups of people.

Wrong - Again you don't have a clue, and I doubt it would do any good to try and explain it to you. You don't hear or see unless it agrees with your warped beliefs. It would be best for you to start over since most of your beliefs are terribly warped and false.

 

[journey]

No, for two reasons.

First, Darby wasn't born until about 1750 years after Paul.

Secondly, Paul preached the Word of God, Darby preached a false gospel.

I don't know what Darby taught, but I know that you don't pay any attention to what the Apostle Paul taught. You twist everything into a pretzel, and you are warped. You need a good beginner's Sunday School.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I don't know what Darby taught, but I know that you don't pay any attention to what the Apostle Paul taught. You twist everything into a pretzel, and you are warped. You need a good beginner's Sunday School.

True! TeT doesn't have a clue, just a big mouth.