ECT MAD 6: Kingdom gospel vs Gospel of grace

[tetelestai]

Tet knows more than those filled with the Holy Spirit who had the scriptures opened to them for understanding.

Do you mean like when Peter said: "Surely not, Lord!" when the Lord told him to kill and eat?

Peter must have been tardy the day that was taught.

 

[tetelestai]

You mean the one plainly described in the Bible ?

Can you show me where in the Bible an upside-down pyramid comes down and touches earth with its tip, with one group of people living in the upside-down pyramid and another group of people living on earth, and the people going back and forth between the upside-down pyramid and earth?

 

[tetelestai]

Evil heart of unbelief:

I don't have an "evil heart" because I don't believe in your 3P3P theory.

Ancient peoples had enough intelligence to build the Tower of Babel, a tower so great that God had to intervene...yet God himself cannot handle creating a City and positioning it wherever He desires to position it.

Very poor reasoning.

 

[Danoh]

Can you show me where in the Bible an upside-down pyramid comes down and touches earth with its tip, with one group of people living in the upside-down pyramid and another group of people living on earth, and the people going back and forth between the upside-down pyramid and earth?

Can you show us where in Josephus (the Preterist's bible) wrote that the Romans left not one stone standing of Jerusalem's surrounding walls?

No, you have failed to.

Your own, over relied on source external to Scripture: Josephus; proves Preterism is not to be trusted.

 

[Interplanner]

To all: please ignore and avoid comment on post-ers who are here to insult, who cannot communicate without worthless hyperbole, etc.

 

[Interplanner]

The DofJ was when men cried for the mountains to fall on them, because of the horror of what was happening, Lk 23. It was the time of wrath in fulfillment of all that was written. Unless you are a literalist and have a theology system that must be bowed to.

 

[tetelestai]

Can you show us where in Josephus (the Preterist's bible) wrote that the Romans left not one stone standing of Jerusalem's surrounding walls?

Can you show us where in the Bible it says there are going to be two more temples?

For your ridiculous claim to be true (some stones were still standing in 70AD), there would have to be a third temple built, then destroyed (to fulfill Luke 19:43-44), and then a fourth temple built to fulfill your second ridiculous claim that Jesus sits on a man made throne overseeing animal sacrifices at the temple.

Where in the Bible does it say two more temples will be built?

MAD is a mess !!!

 

[Nang]

MAD is a mess, because they deny the spiritual truths revealed in Holy Scripture.

Their beliefs and hopes are based upon one-dimensional and material things alone.

 

[tetelestai]

MAD is a mess,

Yes it is.

MAD is a mess !

because they deny the spiritual truths revealed in Holy Scripture.

MAD is contrary to everything that is spiritual.

Their beliefs and hopes are based upon one-dimensional and material things alone.

Their beliefs are based on the false teachings of John Nelson Darby.

 

[Wick Stick]

On a side note, we are going down, not increasing in intelligence.

We've had more invention in the last 100 years than in all the rest of the years combined. How can this possibly be true?

 

[Danoh]

Can you show us where in the Bible it says there are going to be two more temples?

For your ridiculous claim to be true (some stones were still standing in 70AD), there would have to be a third temple built, then destroyed (to fulfill Luke 19:43-44), and then a fourth temple built to fulfill your second ridiculous claim that Jesus sits on a man made throne overseeing animal sacrifices at the temple.

Where in the Bible does it say two more temples will be built?

MAD is a mess !!!

What is Preterism - a teaching full of holes.

As we see in this thread, the Darby followers cannot explain Luke 19:43-44 because it's a Death Knell to their Dispensationalism.

(Luke 19:43-44) The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

Notice how no Darby follower will address this passage.

Preterism's actual "bible" the writings of...

JOSEPHUS War of the Jews:
Book 7 - Chapter 1

NOW as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury, (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done,) Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as were of the greatest eminency; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall as enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison, as were the towers also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified, which the Roman valor had subdued; but for all the rest of the wall, it was so thoroughly laid even with the ground by those that dug it up to the foundation, that there was left nothing to make those that came thither believe it had ever been inhabited. This was the end which Jerusalem came to by the madness of those that were for innovations; a city otherwise of great magnificence, and of mighty fame among all mankind.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

MAD is a mess, because they deny the spiritual truths revealed in Holy Scripture.

Their beliefs and hopes are based upon one-dimensional and material things alone.

:chuckle:

 

[Nick M]

We've had more invention in the last 100 years than in all the rest of the years combined. How can this possibly be true?

Because you think stealing is new because it increased in the last 100 years. A byproduct of socialism (copyright-intellectual property).

If you are serious (stupid) and not just evil, then pay attention. The industrial revolution changed the standard of living and allowed the creation of the microchip by Texas Instruments. That is not an increase in intelligence.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Because you think stealing is new because it increased in the last 100 years. A byproduct of socialism (copyright-intellectual property).

If you are serious (stupid) and not just evil, then pay attention. The industrial revolution changed the standard of living and allowed the creation of the microchip by Texas Instruments. That is not an increase in intelligence.

Yes, I suspect that building an enormous tower without modern machinery would require much more intelligence than anyone has today.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Can you show me where in the Bible an upside-down pyramid comes down and touches earth with its tip, with one group of people living in the upside-down pyramid and another group of people living on earth, and the people going back and forth between the upside-down pyramid and earth?

A city comes down from God out of heaven, and dimensions are given.
Why don't you believe?

 

[Wick Stick]

Because you think stealing is new because it increased in the last 100 years. A byproduct of socialism (copyright-intellectual property).

If you are serious (stupid) and not just evil, then pay attention. The industrial revolution changed the standard of living and allowed the creation of the microchip by Texas Instruments. That is not an increase in intelligence.

Well, I guess I must be stupid, because I'm having a hard time understanding what you're saying here. What are you talking about stealing?

The industrial revolution and its inventions (notably the cotton gin & the steam engine), an increased standard of living, and the invention of the microchip - these all would seem to me to be evidence that things are getting better, not worse. Are things getting better because man is de-volving?

 

[ClimateSanity]

We are tool makers since 200,000 years ago. That has increased and made life easier. Living life wisely is another matter. Our skill at that has dropped dramatically.

 

[Wick Stick]

Yes, I suspect that building an enormous tower without modern machinery would require much more intelligence than anyone has today.

We have the blueprint for the tower of babel etched in stone, still today. It's not exactly rocket science to create a ziggurat out of baked clay.

 

[Nick M]

Well, I guess I must be stupid,

Yep.

 

[Wick Stick]

Any chance of you explaining yourself, or am I merely opening myself up to more ridicule by bothering to try and understand what you're saying?