Loss of the Hero In American Society

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Loss of the Moral Hero In American Culture

I have cut this down a little in size. Its based partly on something I wrote in 1987, called The Great Rebellion Bulletin: Heroes Are Called to Oppose Evil and Rescue Victims of Villains.

Hero is from the Greek word heros, meaning protector or defender. If you
do something that protects a few people, or a whole community from harm
or defend them from harmful people and you take a risk in doing so and do
it without any certainty you yourself will gain from the action, then you
fit the definition of a hero. In taking action to protect or defend others,
you are out on the playing field, and not just sitting in the grandstands
watching what is taking place.

If someone or a group is being bullied and has been hurt physically or
otherwise, or has been threatened with physical or other types of harm,
when someone or some group comes to defend or protect them he or she is a
hero.

The hero needs to have the ability to discern when others are being hurt,
bullied or threatened, and is not deceived by what the bullies are saying
to justify their actions against the people. And the hero should have the
discernment needed to know what action needs to be taken to defend or
protect the harmed others, and the ability to restrain himself or herself
from harmful actions against people which are not justified by the
situation.

And behind the desire of the hero to defend and protect others from
villains is the strong belief in a morality which is absolute and not
subject to compromise by situations or by what others say.

Usually when a person or group is attacked by a villain or groups of
villains the villains violate some right of the victims, such as the right
to life, the right not to be physically injured by the behavior of others,
the right to be free, freedom of speech, or property rights.

"How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked?
Selah. Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and
needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the
wicked." Psalm 82: 2-4

"Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor
and needy." Proverbs 31: 9

Isaiah 10: 1-2 says "Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees,
and that write grievousness which they have prescribed. To turn aside
the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of
my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the
fatherless." Isaiah 10:1-2

"If thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength is small. If thou
forbear to deliver them that are drawn unto death, and those that are
ready to be slain;" Proverbs 24: 10-11

Then Psalm 94: 16 asks "Who will rise up for me against the evildoers?
or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?"

"The wicked people band together against righteous individuals and
condemn innocents to death," says Psalm 94: 21.

The harmful actions of evil people, the villains, call out the heroes
to oppose villainy, to weaken the influence of evil in society, and to
rescue victims of villainous individuals or groups. Heroes also serve
as examples to others.

Often evil individuals or groups will try to deceive others into
believing the they, the villains are not evil, but are a benefit to
others and to society. In our culture of political correctness
political and corporate leaders who are actually villains often pose
as respectable members of society.

So, an ability to spot that which is evil behind a cloak of good image
and respectability is a requirement of the hero.

Outstanding individuals who defeat evil villains and protect or rescue
innocent victims serve as examples to others. Moral heroes become
role models, especially for young people. The Old Testament records
many moral heroes who defeated evil villains, stood up for the rights
of others, and protected the innocent.

But in a totalitarian society, or one moving toward totalitarian
control by a small ruling elite the moral hero is not welcome and may
become the enemy of that small ruling elite. The moral hero is then
politically incorrect, and can be seen as a "domestic terrorist."

There were also moral heroes in the history of Christianity. Foxe's
Book of Martyrs, written in 1563, went through four editions in Fox's
lifetime. The English martyr-moral heroes provided many living
examples of people who risked death to stand up for the truth against
the false prophets and their followers. They were moral heroes in
being faithful to Christ, and having his testimony (Revelation 12:17)
- until the end which was often a painful death by burning.

Fox says of one of those English martyrs - William Tyndale - that
"These books of Tyndale's compiled, published and sent over into
England, it cannot be spoken what a door of light they opened to the
eyes of the whole nation, which before were many years shut up in
darkness (page 123)."

Tyndale's books were his 1526 translation of the New Testament, The
Wicked Mammon, and The Obedience of a Christian Man. Tyndale was
strangled at the stake in Europe by the Catholics for translating the
Textus Receptus into English, at a time when the Latin Bible was the
only scripture allowed to the people. Tyndale had also corrected the
problem in John Wyclife's 1382 translation of the Latin Vulgage of
Jerome in which Wyclife used chirche (in old English spelling) for
ecclesiam, or ekklesia in the Greek texts. Ekklesia means a meeting,
assembly or congregation of any kind of group, and is a common noun.
So any English translation of ekklesia should be a common noun also
and have the same meaning as ekklesia. The way church has come to be
understood implies it is the Capital C Church, a proper noun, and that
the Church is a people of God like Israel.

William Tyndale in his 1526 New Testament translated ekklesia
consistently as congregation, except for Acts 14: 13 and Acts 19: 37
where he used churche, meaning a pagan place of worship. Tyndale broke
with Catholic tradition and used congregation for ekklesia, something
which might have contributed to his being strangled at the stake.

William Tyndale was an example of a real person in history who stood
up for the truth of scripture, in part, to help others after him have
that truth. He was a moral hero of the highest type because his
heroism, courage and belief in the absolute truth of God's word was
about that which is spiritual. The right of the people to know the
truth of Christ's Gospel and to be given spiritual life from Christ
and not have his Gospel turned in fables is more subtle than the
situation in which people are being physically harmed by evil people
and the hero appears to protect them. Tyndale was an example of the
remnant used by God to re-establish his kingdom at a time when the
dominant religion had gone off into false doctrines and practices.

But it is important to understand that as the real moral heroes - and
heroines - were no longer used so much as examples or role models in
American society, then the heroes and heroines of fiction took their
place to some extent.

James Monaco who was a film critic said that "Not only does drama now
occupy a significantly greater area of the spectrum of cultural
experience." Monaco was saying that fiction became a powerful
determinant of culture and as he said it has "...a powerful control
over the national mythos.(Media Culture, 1978, page 13). Fiction had
to a great extent replaced folk culture and myth in American popular
culture.

Then, Daniel J. Boorstin in his book, The Image, 1961, said "In these
middle decades of the twentieth century the hero has almost
disappeared from our fiction." he said "We still try to make our
celebrities stand in for the heroes we no longer have."

Celebrities are people who present images to the popular audience,
images that are often not real. So celebrities are poor substitutes
for moral heroes.

The mantle of the Arthurian moral hero of chivalry was cast on that
bow-legged man with the big hat and boots, and wearing that mantle
this eccentric guy of reality and legend cast a long shadow upon
American culture of the late 19th century and on until the mid 20th
century. Some cowboys wrote historical accounts of the cowboy life,
such as The Log of a Cowboy, 1903, by Andy Adams. or Reed Anthony,
Cowman 1907. Reed Anthony has, as a character in this book, John T.
Lytle, Secretary of the Texas Cattle Raisers Association. Lytle was a
Texas Trail Driver who like some others took the smaller herds of
cowmen and put them together into larger herds to go up the trail to
Kansas to sell. The town of Lytle, Texas is named for him, since he
had operated out of that area. Lytle is eight miles west of where I
was born and raised, and I was the butcher in Lytle during the summer
of 1954. My older brother moved to
Lytle soon after 1954 and ran his small chain of grocery stores out of Lytle.
His widow and descendants still live there.

The American formula detective story - in novels and also in films - featured the detective who sometimes acted as a hero who removed villains from society and in this way protected the community. The hero role slot is, however, not as important to the science fiction novel or movie.

The cowboy was made into a moral hero in the formula Western novel. Peter Homans wrote about the cowboy hero in his essay "Puritianism Revisited, in Jack Nachbar, Focus On the Western, pp.84-92. Homans said that "The will dominates rather than participates in the feelings and imagination...Here is the real meaning of the Western: a Puritan morality tale in which the savior-hero redeems the community from the temptation of the devil..."

Michael T. Marsden wrote that "...in dealing with the nature of the Western hero, it seems fruitful to view him as a coming together of certain elements from the Old testament and to see through him the creation of a Sagebrush Testament with its own ethos...." This is from "Savior In the Saddle: The sagebrush Testament, In Jack Nachbar, Ed, Focus on the Western, 1974, p. 87.

John Wiley Nelson says that "...the dominant belief system in American life has found a normative ritual form of expression in the Western...In the Western...the story ends when the villain is destroyed; we do not feel that more evil is lurking in the shadows. Evil has been annihilated." See: John Wiley Nelson, Your God Is Alive and Well and Appearing in Popular Culture, 1976, Westminister Press, p. 17.

Since the Western story formula reflects a memory of the American culture west of the 98th meridian of the 19th century, it also retains some memory of the basic doctrines of Protestant Christianity - in Calvinism. Five point Calvinism or amillennialism is not necessarily the foundation of the cowboy hero's morality - but Calvinism also taught that morality is rooted in an unchanging, all-sovereign and holy God, and that the righteousness of God as expressed in the morality he taught us is absolute and cannot be compromised. The Cowboy moral hero stands on that absolute morality.

The 98th meridian runs through Meridian, Texas and so the West can be defined as beginning there. A line straight south from Meridian would run maybe 30 or 40 miles east of San Antonio.

The cowboy of real life spent most of his time alone or in small groups in the wilderness where they was little control over him from the government, corporate business , the church or even the family. The historical cowboy of about 1870 to 1920 was said to have "unshaken courage in danger." Most of them were thought to be honest and trustworthy. They tended to be self-sufficient and resourceful. They were loyal to one another. Some of them were eccentric. Cowboys were also thought to have been wild and exuberant. But they were loners and some of this can be seen in their music and stories. Waylan Jennings in "Mammas Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To be Cowboys," sings of this cowboy loneliness "Cos they'll never stay home and they're always alone. Even with someone they love."

One of the more interesting formulas of the larger Western story formula was the Range War Western.

There were several real range wars in Texas and in some of the states of the Great Planes during the late 19th and very early 20th century. The Horrell-Higgins range war of 1873 near Lampasas, Texas is one of these. There was a larger Mason County Range War in the Texas hill country in 1875. Sometime before he was shot dead in San Antonio in 1884, King Fisher was in a range war between the Doniphan and Porter families near Eagle Pass, Texas. John Wesley Hardin took part in the Sutton-Taylor Range War in 1872 which took place in the area of Gonzales County, Texas.

A famous range war in Arizona in the late 1880's was between the Grahams and the Tewksburys below the Mogollon Rim, known as he Pleasant Valley War.

The more general schematic story structure of the Western novel involves settings and characters, transgressive behavior by a villain, a fight of some kind between the villain and the hero, and finally the defeat of the villain. The Range War Western developed its own more specific characterization and action formula slots from this general formula.

In an early Range War Western, Deadwood Dick of Deadwood (1880), by Edward L. Wheeler, Wheeler's hero topples a corrupt businessman's empire. Wheeler calls the evil businessman a "purse-proud aristocrat." However, Deadwood Dick is sentenced to death by the local judge for bringing down the evil businessman. Calamity Jane rescues him from jail in time. Deadwood Dick is an outsider in the community, while the criminal businessmen he opposes are respected insiders. The characterization of the Range War Western villain as a respected insider in the local community is a major trait of the Range War Western formula story.

Ryan of Roger Pocock's Curley, A Tale of the American Desert, 1905, is another early version of the respected villain insider with a good image. The hero, McCalmont, has been driven off his land by the big cattle company which also killed his son. When the case comes to trail, the judge, a shareholder in the crooked cattle company, rules in favor of the cattle company. McCalmont's lawyers charge him huge amounts of money, and when the case is brought to the Supreme Court, the cattle company burns McCalmont's house and kills his wife. With a group of mavericks, McCalmont stands up for morality and justice, while the respected insider villains hide behind the law.

From its beginning in the stories of Wheeler and Pocock, the Range War Western was a fictional vehicle for exposure and criticism of the materialism, loss of common morals, success-motivation and image-obsession which even in the late 19th century had just begun to overcome Christian absolute morality. The hero of the Range War Western rescues the local community from the harmful actions of an insider respected villain with good image. In doing so the Range War Western hero shows his keen perception and discernment of people, and situations. He sees through the surface deceptions enacted by the respected insider villain. Yet this villain has some cognitive ability which he uses for his evil purposes. He can see to some extent beneath the surface appearance of things, more so than most of the townspeople.

By 1912, in Zane Grey's Riders of the Purple Sage, the insider respected villain is a Mormon Bishop who tries to take possession of Jane's ranch and force her to become a Mormon wife. Another of Zane Grey's Range War Westerns was his Man of the Forest of 1920, and his To the Last Man of 1921 which is a literary takeoff from the real Graham-Tweskbury range war in Arizona.

It was Ernest Haycox who perfected the Range War Western story formula. The following nine event slots are from Haycox's Chaffee of Roaring Horse. 1930, and are typical of many Range War Westerns:

l. Initial transgressive behavior by the insider respected villain takes place.

2. Some form of deception is worked by the insider respected villain. In Chaffee of Roaring Horse, William Wells Woolfridge, the chief insider respected villain, is an upper class, well educated man from the East who owns large shares in a local company and hides his evil behind this cloak. The locals, for the most part, do not have enough discernment to know that Woolfridge is evil and hides his evil behind the deception of having good image and respectability.

3. There is a second round of transgressive behavior brought on by the insider villain. Woolfridge wants the ranch that belonged to the murdered Dad Datterlee and the yahoo-type outlaws who secretly work for Woolfridge stampede the Stirrup S herd over the canyon to their deaths.

4. The cowboy hero is framed on a false charge. Jim Chaffee had been one of Dad Satterlee's cowboys, and he trails the yahoo-outlaw gang who killed the Stirrup S cattle. In the process Chaffee kills one of the yahoo-outlaws in self defense. Since Woolfridge controls the local sheriff, Chaffee is framed on a charge of murder.

5. The cowboy hero becomes socially isolated and the townspeople are unfriendly to him. Many locals think that Chaffee is guilty of murder.

6. The cowboy hero begins to work to defeat the chief insider respected villain. Chaffee begins to gather evidence to tie the yahoo-outlaw gang to the murder of Dad Satterlee.

7. The villains engage in a third round of transgressive behavior. The yahoo-outlaws murder Jim Chaffee's friend.

8. The cowboy hero gains allies in his fight against the chief villain. In this story, a woman shows up who is then allied with the hero and becomes a heroine. She is an assistant to the territorial governor and investigates the villain Woolfridge. The lie of Woolfridge to the local people was exposed that a dam was going to be built which would make the land he sold them more valuable. The settlers began to oppose Woolfridge and his yahoo outlaws.

9. The insider villain and his yahoo outlaws are defeated in a decisive way by the work of the cowboy. In this story the heroine helps bring the local people to the side of the cowboy hero.

These nine event slots and the characterization of the insider respected villain with good image can be seen easily as being metaphoric for real life scenarios at the local, national and even international level.

A strong belief that the morality given by a righteous God is the necessary prerequisite for being able to see these nine action slots as being metaphoric for real life situations. Without absolute morality the behavior of the insider respected villain with good image is not seen to be evil. And this refusal to see the insider villain as evil is both because the "townspeople," which are the majority of the people, cannot discern that people with good images, with a lot of money and power, can be evil, and the people do not see that some of the ways those with money and power manipulate and control people lead to harm to the people.

Marxism is not the only kind of humanism which can lead to a rejection of the absolute morality taught in scripture. But Transformational Marxism gained influence in American society during the second half of the 20th century. Transformational Marxism mixes psychology with Marxist theory and understands that taking over a culture and society like that of the U.S. takes time. This is not the Bolshevism of Lenin and Stalin.

"In the eyes of the dialectical philosophy, nothing is established for
all time, nothing is absolute or sacred." (Karl Marx)

But how could the generations who fought World War II and the Korean War produce children - the Baby Boomers - and grand children who were changed in their beliefs in absolute morality? The World War II Generation, for the most part, believed in the moral hero. And in part many of them were moral heroes who stormed enemy beaches to free people they would never know. And many who fought in Korea, alongside some of the World War II vets, were little brothers of the World War II men. The Korean War generation had much the same belief in the moral hero as did the World War II people. How could the Baby Boomers, their children, born from 1946 to about 1964, have lost a belief in unchanging morality and no longer believe in the moral hero?

The answer is public school education.

Benjamin Bloom, who wrote the two volume book on the Taxonomy
of Educational Goal Objectives, by which all teachers must be
certified, said "“We recognize the point of view that
truth and knowledge are only relative and that there are no hard and
fast truths which exist for all time and places.” (Benjamin Bloom, et
al., Taxonomy of Educational Objectives, Book 1, Cognitive Domain)

Dean Gotcher found a footnote in Bloom's Taxonomy of Educational
Objectives Book 2, Affective Domain, on the "Weltanschaaung" or world
view Bloom was following. On
page 166 of this volume Bloom acknowledges the influence of Theodore W. Adorno
and Eric Fromm on the psychological theory, philosophy or ideology
contained in his two volumes, Educational Goal taxonomies. Book II
Affective Domain p. 166. Bloom used the German word Weltanschaaung on this
page of his book to refer to the philosophy underlying Bloom's educational goals.

“1. Cf. Erich Fromm, 1941; T. W. Adorno et al., 1950” Benjamin Bloom,
Book II Affective Domain p. 166. This is Bloom's footnote
acknowledging the influence on his thinking from Erich Fromm and
Theodore W. Adorno.

Adorno was an original Frankfurter Marxist who
posed as a personality and social psychologist in writing his 1950
book, The Authoritarian Personality, in which he claimed that the
authoritarian personality and fascism are caused by the family and
Christianity. Erich Fromm was a Transformational Marxist psychologist
and close associate of the Frankfurters.
 

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Is it true that Davy Crockett hopped over the wall at the Alamo and tried to make a run for it?
No.

But there is conflict on if he died in battle or was badly wounded at the end, and then executed there.

I don't know of any report that says he tried to make a run for it.
 

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How could the Baby Boomers, their children, born from 1946 to about 1964, have lost a belief in unchanging morality and no longer believe in the moral hero?

The answer is public school education.

Yet in the 1963 Congressional Record that showed the 45 declared goals of the takeover of America by communists, the word "public" was nowhere to be found in plank #17.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
http://rense.com/general32/americ.htm

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northwye

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Transformational Marxism has attacked the "epistemology" of the more traditional American culture. As Marx wrote ""In the eyes of the dialectical philosophy, nothing is established for all time, nothing is absolute or sacred."

There can be no absolute or unchanging truth for Transformational Marxism, and this is in line with the Marxist wish to get rid of Christianity - because it has absolute truth and absolute morality. This Marxism also has wanted to diminish the family in American life. It also operates from psychology, and insists that there is nothing more to us than our conditioning, desires and feelings - which is man living entirely in the flesh.

When you are thinking of the goals of communism, the type of communism of the Old Soviet Union and red China come to mind. Marxist education did not have to teach that type of communist line. It could destroy the American culture based on Christianity and the family without teaching that kind of communism - by use of the Marxist version of the Hegelian dialectic, teaching that there are no fixed truths and fixed morals, that everything is relative and changing and that we are nothing more than our conditioning, desires and feelings (and attitudes). There is no place in this Marxism for Christ to come into our inner spiritual life and give us spiritual life. In such a mindset, Christ is not invited in when he knocks.
 

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Ya know, I haven't posted on TOL in awhile because the drivel has just runneth over.
But I was intrigued by the thread title and thought it might engender some original discussion.
But no, it's just another rightwing oldtimer ringing his/her hands at the cultural shift.

More than that, I'm disappointed that you just copied and pasted an outdated document which COULD have been a wonderful breakdown of a different cultural phenomenon than the Western pulp novel: the comic book superhero.

In its initial incarnations (especially Superman), the superhero was a powerful form of wish-fulfillment for its creators, mostly young Jewish men escaping from persecution in Europe to a Land of Opportunity across the ocean.

This aspect, combined with the fact that children (read: boys) were the primary audience for comics for decades, led to thousands of stories of black-and-white morality, in which the villain(s) and his villainy were easily identified, and the hero's task was simple: the application of brutality.

A couple punches, kicks, or Batarangs, and justice is served.
No muss, no fuss.

This was good enough for the first twenty years or so, especially when the Nazis were such easily accessible villains for Superman, The Human Torch, or Captain Marvel to beat up again and again.
And of course, the propaganda potential did not go unused, especially in the case of Captain America, which led to the openly-espoused idea, previously just left as a given, that the application of brutality is somehow inherent in the American system of.....government? Economy? Geography?

No one took the time to clarify this connection because the country was at war, and no one clarified it afterwards because we felt like masters of the world.
Even so, it became part of our culture, especially as generations of boys and girls ate up the black-and-white morality tales.

As the seventies rolled in, writers at DC and Marvel, the last two remaining comics companies after the idiotic senate subcommittee investigation, began attempting to address deeper issues and more human concepts (and an older audience) than the "punch now, ask questions never" approach of their predecessors.

DC's Green Lantern/Green Arrow explored drug addiction, gang violence, Native American exploitation, pollution, inner city racism, and a myriad of other contemporary debates raging in the halls of college campuses and Congress alike.

Marvel took a different approach, creating more three-dimensional superheroes (beginning with the Fantastic Four and Spider-Man) who had to deal with real-life problems that the whiz-bang characters of the thirties and forties never touched. For example, the Fantastic Four at one point faced bankruptcy because they refused to bank on their fame or inventions.
Spider-Man was and is probably the best example of this shift, being the first true teenage superhero, and being the first example of a comic book character who has a hard life, and that life becomes even more terrible after he becomes a superhero. This would never have been accepted in the two-dimensional morality tales of the previous decades.

But even with these deeper explorations into real-life issues and complexities of the seventies, superheroes remained paragons of the application of violence as a primary means to dispense justice.

It wasn't until 1986, a watershed year in the history of the comic book medium, that anyone set out to truly delve into the inherent nature of the superhero.

The seventies had given rise to the deliberately campy Batman TV show starring Adam West, which had been designed as a deliberately campy satire of the then-current state of the comic: an irrelevant bit of fluff glossing over a truly dark character. Frank Miller saw the darkness, and resolved to bring it to light with The Dark Knight Returns. He started with a Batman who'd started fighting crime in 1939 (when the character was created), and by 1986 was past his prime, living in a Gotham City that had gone to hell in his absence.
This isn't the Bruce Wayne with a smile on his face. This is the guy who saw his parents murdered as a child, something the Adam West show and the comics which inspired it apparently just forgot about. This is Batman walking the streets and seeing a new generation of cold, calculating killers replace the ilk of his parents' murderer, and they're barely old enough to shave. The "hero" is portrayed here as a murderous beast which possessed young Bruce, which was given free reign starting the night of his parents' murder. He does not brutally take down criminals because of some absolute moral duty; he does so because he is haunted, possessed, and in his honest moments admits he loves every minute of it. Especially in contrast to Superman, who is portrayed as a super-sheeple in thrall to a pastiche of Ronald Reagan, blindly obeying orders and carrying out secret wars in Central America.

On the other side of the Atlantic, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons were hired by DC to craft a story involving several older characters from the then-recently-defunct Fawcett comics. What resulted is Watchmen, a magnificent work of art and a damning indictment of the concept of the hero. Moore created a realistic facsimile of an alternate 1986 America, in which Nixon has remained president for multiple sets of presidential terms by intentionally accelerating the Cold War to the point of walking the razor's edge of Armageddon, and masked heroes are a fact of life.
The comic, a true "graphic novel" (meaning, it contains over 40,000 words, and thus fits the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America's definition of "novel"), deconstructs the idea of a person who would put on a mask and fling violence upon those they deem criminals, portraying each of its vigilante characters as socialyl disconnected, impotent, apathetic, sociopathic, and psychotic, respectively.

These are portrayed as the qualities necessary for a person to not only have a black-and-white sense of morality, but to inflict that morality upon others.

Alongside these two books and others came the first ever full-company comics crossover: DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths. In what became a fairly regular event at DC, and which Marvel found its own version of, the entire decades-old DC universe was re-written, and much of the light-and-fluffy, easily-digested morality elements were removed in favor of more mature, three-dimensional characters and storylines.

The breakout success of Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns and the results of Crisis spurred the genesis and development what comic historians now term "The Dark Age of Comics," when the happy-go-lucky punching and kicking and funny gadgets were replaced with grim sociopaths packing heat, a willingness to kill, and a deeply scarred and/or disfigured psyche.
This led to some competition for DC and Marvel for the first time in years as comics publishers like Dark Horse and Image took advantage of the darker-and-edgier trend to market their own characters.

Writers who had grown up with the fluffier versions of the characters eventually rebelled against the trend, resulting in a synthesis of blind traditionalism and superhero psychoses.
This synthesis began in 1996, with Mark Waid and Alex Ross' iconic collaboration, Kingdom Come. In a world filling up with unstable superpowered individuals, Superman and his generation of heroes come into direct conflict with the heat-packing sociopaths of the Dark Ages, all witnessed (and eventually influenced) by Pastor Norman McKay, a completely un-superpowered old man granted visions of a coming superhero apocalypse and guided through them by the Spectre.

As a result of the growing dissatisfaction with the Dark Age concept of the hero, and Waid's humanization of previously-cliched heroes like Superman, the superhero evolved into its current form: individuals with wondrous abilities attempting to make the world a better place, but who are human first, struggling and feeling and able to connect with readers who reach out for some reassurance of stability in an increasingly unstable world.
 

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Ya know, I haven't posted on TOL in awhile because the drivel has just runneth over.

TOL has more than it's fair share of God-hating moral relativists like yourself Buzz, you haven't been missed.

But I was intrigued by the thread title and thought it might engender some original discussion.
But no, it's just another rightwing oldtimer ringing his/her hands at the cultural shift.

So you thought you'd talk about comic book characters?
 

northwye

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Second Wave feminism targeted the male moral hero, and especially the cowboy moral hero of the Western novel and a few films that have followed that formula. In fact, much of what is political correctness came out of Second Wave feminism which in the period of about 1969 to 1971 came in on the heels of the counterculture.

The male moral hero became politically incorrect for the Baby Boomer generation.

That the characterization of the insider respected villain of the Range War Western and the action slots of this story formula can be metaphoric for the financial and corporate ruling elite now in 2015 is also politically incorrect.

Can you imagine Harry Reid promoting the Range War Western? Supposedly some of his ancestors were part of the Old West.

But although the characterization of the insider respected villain of the Range War Western and the action slots of that story formula can be metaphoric for the present day ruling elite, where is the moral hero to oppose them? He has been pushed off the stage and made politically incorrect by the Left. He would have to come back on stage in order for the people to come out from under the control of that elite. That could only happen in a fragmented society for a minority of the people. And that fragmentation of the people was set up by design - to divide and conquer. And even while moral heroes of the minority might battle verbally the minions of that elite, the Leftists - called "Liberals" - would bad mouth the moral heroes.
 

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The WW2 generation came out of the great depression. They understood heroism because they experienced the result of evil, first hand, and knew the suffering it caused. It's why they were willing to fight to the death for the ideal of freedom from oppression.

But their children, the "boomer" generation, did not experience the deep suffering that comes from the evils of greed and oppression. They grew with relative abundance, and freedom, and so even though they protested against oppression and social injustice in their youth, when they got older, had families, and became the prime movers of society, they became the status quo. Many of them became the oppressors they had once protested against.

Now we're falling back to the society of the great depression, again, with uber-wealthy "robber barons" controlling government and owning everything, while the poor and the working classes struggle on in poverty or on meager wages. The two-headed snake of greed and oppression has once again poisoned the nation.

I'm greatly saddened by this. I grew up believing that the ideals of the "greatest generation" (those depression era/WW2 folks)were the norm. And now I am seeing that greed and oppression are the norm. The great generation was the exception.
 

northwye

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See: http://www.zanegreycollections.com/Local/bio.htm

"Many a lean year came and went as he searched for a publisher, but Zane soon became the best-selling Western author of all time as well as the best selling author of non-fiction fishing novels. For most of the teens, 20s, and 30s, Zane had at least one novel in the top ten every year."

Zane Grey wrote some Range War Western formula stories.

Ernest Haycox did write Western stories for magazines. But see: http://westofriver.blogspot.com/2013/09/ernest-haycox-1899-1950-western.html

"Robert L. Gale wrote in Twentieth-Century Western Writers (St. James Press, 1991), "[m]ore than any other 20th-century writer, Ernest Haycox changed the formulaic Western novel into one featuring complex heroes, contrasting heroines, and varied themes." Western novelist D. B. Newton wrote that Haycox made the Western respectable......"

"He began writing stories much like the formulaic stories of Zane Grey and Max Brand, but soon began to experiment with new techniques in which he stretched the conventions of the formula. Although he never advanced to the literary status of a Wallace Stegner or A.B. Guthrie, for example, he did bridge the gap between those worthies and early novelists such as Grey and Brand. In the process, he became the most imitated of all the Western novelists."

In the fifties Western movies were among the most popular of all film genres. And during the fifties may Westerns were shown on TV including the long running Gunsmoke and Rawhide. The TV series Rawhide is mostly accurate - for a Hollywood TV production - in its presentation of life on the early cattle trail to Missouri from San Antonio. But the series, filmed in California, is not convincing for its landscapes of Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri.

But not too long after the fifties and early sixties, the Western film and TV series were out of fashion. And soon TV took up the battle against the American male moral hero, often featuring the high testosterone man or father figure as incompetent and a reactionary dummy, like Archie Bunker in All In the Family.
 

PureX

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Keep in mind that most cultural art forms follow the meme of their times, they don't lead them. The western hero novels were popular because the idea of the western (cowboy=working man) hero was popular. Poor people were not ashamed of being poor. They understood that they were poor because the system was corrupt. They saw themselves as the righteous underdogs.

Now day we see the poor as lazy, criminal, and something to be ashamed of. No one writes novels about poor heros, anymore. Now all our novel heroes are wealthy and beautiful. And often even criminal.
 

northwye

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"I grew up believing that the ideals of the "greatest generation" (those depression era/WW2 folks)were the norm. And now I am seeing that greed and oppression are the norm. The great generation was the exception."

People who grew up in the larger cities tend, as a group, to be less self-reliant individuals and can be more easily herded by the elites, especially the media of radio, TV and films. During the Great Depression many more Americans grew up on the land out in the country or in very small towns which had more contact with that country life. Of course, many of the World War II guys were born from about 1918 to 1925 or so and knew something of life in the rural areas before the Depression.

I forgot some of the "little brothers" of the Great Generation stormed a beach during the Korean war. In a flanking attack MacArthur sent U.S. Marines ashore off landing crafts at Incheon, South Korea. The beaches and nearby areas were controlled by North Korean forces in September of 1950. The "little brothers" were of the Korean War generation, mostly born after about 1927.
 

PureX

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People who grew up in the larger cities tend, as a group, to be less self-reliant individuals and can be more easily herded by the elites, especially the media of radio, TV and films. During the Great Depression many more Americans grew up on the land out in the country or in very small towns which had more contact with that country life. Of course, many of the World War II guys were born from about 1918 to 1925 or so and knew something of life in the rural areas before the depression.
This is the real difference between then and now: that almost none on us can grow our own food or build our own houses or make our own clothes. We are all now completely dependent on commerce for our survival. And that means we are completely dependent on the people who have gained control over the means of producting our essential goods and services. And they can use that dependency to exploit us. And they are. Thus greed and oppression rule the day.

The great generation understood the necessity of fighting against this kind of greed and oppression. But we do not. Instead, we applaud it even as it's destroying us. We support the very greed and oppression that is robbing us all of our futures, and of our children's futures.
 

northwye

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I agree about many of the people who grew up during the Great Depression out in the country. They were more self-reliant and self-sufficient. I had an older brother who was a vet of World War II, though not in combat. He would not take anything from the government from their hand out programs - like many people do now. And he helped start a small business without relying on a bank for a loan.

After he got out of the Navy in 1945 during the summers for a couple of years he made money by buying up crops on the ground, and then we as a family would go pick the crops and take it to market to sell. Had he not grown up on the land he would not have known anything about which crops to buy and when.

But many of that World War II Depression generation, who were somewhat poor in our area of the country, engaged in something a materialistic and urban culture would not want to get into. Many ran hounds after coyotes at night and became very interested in that. I have my older brothers Journal of Wolf Races that he kept when he was in high school when he and our father ran a pack of coyote hounds on Saturday nights after local coyotes. Twenty to thirty years later in that area there were almost no men who ran hounds after coyotes. The culture had changed by the sixties.
 

The Berean

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See: http://www.zanegreycollections.com/Local/bio.htm

"Many a lean year came and went as he searched for a publisher, but Zane soon became the best-selling Western author of all time as well as the best selling author of non-fiction fishing novels. For most of the teens, 20s, and 30s, Zane had at least one novel in the top ten every year."

Zane Grey wrote some Range War Western formula stories.

Ernest Haycox did write Western stories for magazines. But see: http://westofriver.blogspot.com/2013/09/ernest-haycox-1899-1950-western.html

"Robert L. Gale wrote in Twentieth-Century Western Writers (St. James Press, 1991), "[m]ore than any other 20th-century writer, Ernest Haycox changed the formulaic Western novel into one featuring complex heroes, contrasting heroines, and varied themes." Western novelist D. B. Newton wrote that Haycox made the Western respectable......"

"He began writing stories much like the formulaic stories of Zane Grey and Max Brand, but soon began to experiment with new techniques in which he stretched the conventions of the formula. Although he never advanced to the literary status of a Wallace Stegner or A.B. Guthrie, for example, he did bridge the gap between those worthies and early novelists such as Grey and Brand. In the process, he became the most imitated of all the Western novelists."

In the fifties Western movies were among the most popular of all film genres. And during the fifties may Westerns were shown on TV including the long running Gunsmoke and Rawhide. The TV series Rawhide is mostly accurate - for a Hollywood TV production - in its presentation of life on the early cattle trail to Missouri from San Antonio. But the series, filmed in California, is not convincing for its landscapes of Texas, Oklahoma and Missouri.

But not too long after the fifties and early sixties, the Western film and TV series were out of fashion. And soon TV took up the battle against the American male moral hero, often featuring the high testosterone man or father figure as incompetent and a reactionary dummy, like Archie Bunker in All In the Family.
I was more of a Bonanza fan. :p There is a Bonanza episode with Ossie Davis guest staring as a former slave that dealt with racism. This was very uncommon for 1960's television.
 

northwye

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In his Western novel, Chaffee of Roaring Horse, Ernest Haycox had a heroine who showed up in support of the formula Range War Western hero. She didn't shoot anybody, but did an investigation that turned the townspeople to the side of the hero. Thats a subtle twist to the formula Range War Western. This more subtle overthrow of the insider villain is a better metaphor for the real life "Range War Western" in which the financial and corporate elites have taken over America and are trying to deceive and control the people, while doing away with what is left of obedience to the Constitution.

A few days ago I watched some of the Range War Western movie, Shane. Shane is supposed to be one of the best of the film versions of this genre. It has a simple plot line, and a standard shoot out at the end where Shane is faced with three villains, one of which is an expert gun fighter. The filming, characterization and scenes in this movie are good.
 
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