The city's concerns were well-founded, but prior restraint is not constitutional.
More so, if it's not a public park.
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The city's concerns were well-founded, but prior restraint is not constitutional.
More so, if it's not a public park.
thats a step away from marxism/communism not a leap away from socialism as a whole.
I can see how present information and history collides. In regards to O.P., the word libral may be and can be incorrect to describe a member of the socialist party.
https://www.britannica.com/event/National-Socialism
withink above link and elsewhere, nazism is highlighted to being against liberalism. further study is suggested to understand how or why.
However I still contend that the groups undertakes and supports socialism.
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These monuments are less to men than their cause and that cause should not be memorialized or romanticized.
Depends on where they are. If it's on municipal land then it's a matter for the municipality. If it's on the state capitol grounds it's a state matter, and so on.
Like steel. And carbon fiber is stronger than either. But it doesn't exist in nature.
God doesn't have to figure anything out. If you water down "design" to merely mean "intent", the idea no longer means anything.
The idea of adding the link is so others read into the quote AND the article which carries it. for in that link, the author addresses multiple issues/questions which other individuals, like Tim Stanley, bring up to try and argue the socialist delima for nazis.
This includes:
comparing hitler to stalin. both killed socialists to hold and maintain their version of it.
considering political views
comparing view points of marx and hitler. which covers difference in ways to accomplish a common goal.
So id suggest covering the whole article instead of just one quote. Or I could try and copy and paste the whole thing, which I thought would be too long of a post and a bit difficult to highlight hundreds of words on a phone.
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5. The Alt-Rightists went over the top by holding a torchlight parade after dark on Friday night. This seems to have been an attempt to intimidate the local community and their political opponents rather than to merely express a point of view. An unnecessarily provocative bad move.
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6. The participants in the Alt-Right rally seemed to reflect the entire Alt-Right/Alt-Lite/fellow traveler configuration. My contacts have claimed there were at least a handful of people of color on the Alt-Right side in the demonstration (as is the norm with these events).
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7. While it is not true that all participants in the demonstration were neo-Nazis, some clearly were as evidenced by their Roman salutes and displays of the swastika. The organizers of the rally screwed up by allowing groups with this orientation at the rally, and allowing this kind of behavior by those who were present. Neo-Nazis are freaks and losers with a dangerous philosophy that can only detract from any serious political event.
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8. The message of the Alt-Right rally was unclear and incoherent, and on par with the usual confused nonsense that goes on at Leftist rallies, i.e. this was an “Occupy Wall Street” of the Right. What was the intended purpose of this demonstration? To defend a statue? Oppose immigration? “Unite the Right”? Unite the Right to do what? Piss off leftists? Piss off local officials in Charlottesville? Would any casual observer have a clue as to what this demo was even about?
http://amp.nationalreview.com/...till-socialists-jonah-goldberg
review above artile which covers many of what is in article provided in above quote.
my thoughts:
1. marxist tradition is not basis of socialism. many individuals have had opposing viewpoints to how best accomplish socialist goals.
in article i provide, it goes well into description as to how&why.
2. strasserites! so tim suggests idea by these brothers should be supported by hitler and then govt. except their idea involves support from USSR who have bad relations with germany for various historical reasons.
furthermore, their ideals on nationalizing industries are not mentioned. if it would involve same tactics as marxism: this would mean a division of class which goes against nationalism. this is addressed in more detail in above article.
3. ruthless over broad masses? uh. USSR did exact same thing. Only a few florished in soviet union where opposition or different ideas were quickly slaughtered or imprisoned. Action among both countries are same.
4. quote drop.
again tim, as others on here, compare nazism to marxism/communism. but these are not the sole examples of socialism. industry does not need to be controlled 100% by govt. in order for that govt. to being socialst.
to my knowledge. Venezuela does not have 100% nationalized economy. China has implemented non socialist policy to immitate capitalistic economy.
above countries and nazism are socialists
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lifeguard at the cement pond
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33. The most reasonable response thus far has come from, ironically, President Trump himself for daring to point out that violent street fighting involving “hatred, bigotry and violence” actually occurred on “many sides” during the course of this disaster, rather than merely taking one side as if violent Communists and other left-wing extremists are not dangerous and undesirable in a manner that parallels their fascist/Nazi rivals.
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43. I’ve been saying all along that eventually someone was going to get killed in these street fights, and that the state would certainly use this as a pretext for a crackdown on political freedom, and with the support of much of the public who see these events as nothing more than lunatics wreaking havoc. Many alt-rightists and leftists I know have fantasies of some kind of Weimar-like epic battles, to which I always respond that America is not some weak nation devastated by world war and depression like Weimar. The US has an elaborate an internal security apparatus as East Germany during the Stasi era. Pretty soon they will start making examples of the leaders of these actions.
That link led to a black bunker wall, lol, with a white page attached to it that reads "page not found."
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National Review
Nazis Still Socialists - Jonah Goldberg
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/372197/nazis-still-socialists-jonah-goldberg
National Review
Nazis Still Socialists - Jonah Goldberg
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/372197/nazis-still-socialists-jonah-goldberg
huh.
not sure what difference was. but thanks for link correction.
http://amp.nationalreview.com/article/372197/nazis-still-socialists-jonah-goldberg
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President Trump’s false claim that counter-demonstrators lacked a permit
“You had a group on the other side that came charging in without a permit, and they were very, very violent. . . . You had a lot of people in that [white nationalist] group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest, because you know — I don’t know if you know — they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit.”
— President Trump, remarks during a news conference on infrastructure, Aug. 15, 2017
In blaming both sides for the violence in Charlottesville that left one person dead, President Trump twice asserted that the people protesting white supremacists and neo-Nazis lacked a permit, unlike the groups that gathered to protest the possible removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.
But that’s turned out to be false, according to documents and interviews obtained by our Washington Post colleague Justin Moyer.
The Facts
Walt Heinecke, a professor at the University of Virginia, told Moyer that he received a “special events certificate of approval” for events at McGuffey Park and Justice Park — sites blocks from Emancipation Park, where white nationalists had a permit for a Saturday rally. A car allegedly driven by James Alex Fields Jr. rammed into counter-protesters, killing a 32-year-old woman, on Fourth Street, which runs adjacent to Justice Park.
The document is below, with Heinecke’s address and cellphone number removed.
2017 Public Demonstration Unity and Love Free Speech August 12 2017Certificate of Approval by GlennKesslerWP on Scribd
Charlottesville spokeswoman Miriam I. Dickler told Moyer that only one permit was issued for Emancipation Park — the one received by white nationalists staging the “Unite the Right” rally. However, counter-protesters did not need permits to protest that rally, she said.
“Please bear in mind that people do not need a permit to enter a public park, even when another event is scheduled to take place there, nor are they required to have one to be on streets or sidewalks adjacent to or outside the park,” Dickler said in an email.
On Friday night, 250 white nationalists carrying torches marched and chanted anti-Semitic slogans on the U-Va. campus, where they encountered about 30 students who had locked arms around the base of a statue of Thomas Jefferson, according to a Washington Post timeline. Brief clashes took place, resulting in some injuries. U-Va. allows access to open spaces and so permits were not required for such marches, according to a statement by U-Va. President Teresa A. Sullivan condemning the “intimidating and abhorrent behavior displayed by the alt-right protestors.”
On Saturday, when the major violence occurred, people started gathering in Emancipation Park. Charlottesville Police Chief Al S. Thomas Jr. told The Post the white-nationalist groups went back on a plan that would have kept them separated from the counter-protesters. The two sides started clashing, and by 11:22 a.m. police had declared an unlawful assembly.
“I think what the president is trying to say is that counter-protesters did not have a permit to be in Emancipation Park,” Heinicke said. “That’s irrelevant.” He added: “Either way you cut it, the president got it wrong.”
The White House declined to comment.
— President Trump, remarks during a news conference on infrastructure, Aug. 15, 2017
In blaming both sides for the violence in Charlottesville that left one person dead, President Trump twice asserted that the people protesting white supremacists and neo-Nazis lacked a permit, unlike the groups that gathered to protest the possible removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.
But that’s turned out to be false, according to documents and interviews obtained by our Washington Post colleague Justin Moyer.
The Facts
Walt Heinecke, a professor at the University of Virginia, told Moyer that he received a “special events certificate of approval” for events at McGuffey Park and Justice Park — sites blocks from Emancipation Park, where white nationalists had a permit for a Saturday rally. A car allegedly driven by James Alex Fields Jr. rammed into counter-protesters, killing a 32-year-old woman, on Fourth Street, which runs adjacent to Justice Park.
The document is below, with Heinecke’s address and cellphone number removed.
2017 Public Demonstration Unity and Love Free Speech August 12 2017Certificate of Approval by GlennKesslerWP on Scribd
Charlottesville spokeswoman Miriam I. Dickler told Moyer that only one permit was issued for Emancipation Park — the one received by white nationalists staging the “Unite the Right” rally. However, counter-protesters did not need permits to protest that rally, she said.
“Please bear in mind that people do not need a permit to enter a public park, even when another event is scheduled to take place there, nor are they required to have one to be on streets or sidewalks adjacent to or outside the park,” Dickler said in an email.
On Friday night, 250 white nationalists carrying torches marched and chanted anti-Semitic slogans on the U-Va. campus, where they encountered about 30 students who had locked arms around the base of a statue of Thomas Jefferson, according to a Washington Post timeline. Brief clashes took place, resulting in some injuries. U-Va. allows access to open spaces and so permits were not required for such marches, according to a statement by U-Va. President Teresa A. Sullivan condemning the “intimidating and abhorrent behavior displayed by the alt-right protestors.”
On Saturday, when the major violence occurred, people started gathering in Emancipation Park. Charlottesville Police Chief Al S. Thomas Jr. told The Post the white-nationalist groups went back on a plan that would have kept them separated from the counter-protesters. The two sides started clashing, and by 11:22 a.m. police had declared an unlawful assembly.
“I think what the president is trying to say is that counter-protesters did not have a permit to be in Emancipation Park,” Heinicke said. “That’s irrelevant.” He added: “Either way you cut it, the president got it wrong.”
The White House declined to comment.
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