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Luther's attitude toward the Jews changed over the course of his life. In the early phase of his career—until around 1536—he expressed concern for their plight in Europe and was enthusiastic at the prospect of converting them to Christianity through his religious reforms. Being unsuccessful in that, in his later career, Luther denounced Judaism and called for harsh persecution of its followers, so that they might not be allowed to teach. In a paragraph from his On the Jews and Their Lies he deplores Christendom's failure to expel them.[1] Moreover, he proposed "What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews":[1]


  • "First, to set fire to their synagogues or schools … This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians …"
  • "Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed."
  • "Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them."
  • "Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb …"
  • "Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. For they have no business in the countryside …"
  • "Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them, and that all cash and treasure of silver and gold be taken from them …"
  • "Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow … But if we are afraid that they might harm us or our wives, children, servants, cattle, etc., … then let us emulate the common sense of other nations such as France, Spain, Bohemia, etc., … then eject them forever from the country …"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

Anti-Jewish agitation
Luther successfully campaigned against the Jews in Saxony, Brandenburg, and Silesia. In August 1536 Luther's prince, Elector of Saxony John Frederick, issued a mandate that prohibited Jews from inhabiting, engaging in business in, or passing through his realm. An Alsatian shtadlan, Rabbi Josel of Rosheim, asked a reformer Wolfgang Capito to approach Luther in order to obtain an audience with the prince, but Luther refused every intercession.[5] In response to Josel, Luther referred to his unsuccessful attempts to convert the Jews: "... I would willingly do my best for your people but I will not contribute to your [Jewish] obstinacy by my own kind actions. You must find another intermediary with my good lord."[6] Heiko Oberman notes this event as significant in Luther's attitude toward the Jews: "Even today this refusal is often judged to be the decisive turning point in Luther's career from friendliness to hostility toward the Jews."[7]

Josel of Rosheim, who tried to help the Jews of Saxony, wrote in his memoir that their situation was "due to that priest whose name was Martin Luther — may his body and soul be bound up in hell!! — who wrote and issued many heretical books in which he said that whoever would help the Jews was doomed to perdition."[8] Robert Michael, Professor Emeritus of European History at the University of Massachusetts Dartmouth writes that Josel asked the city of Strasbourg to forbid the sale of Luther's anti-Jewish works; they refused initially, but relented when a Lutheran pastor in Hochfelden argued in a sermon that his parishioners should murder Jews.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

On the Jews and Their Lies
Main article: On the Jews and Their Lies
In 1543 Luther published On the Jews and Their Lies in which he says that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth."[13] They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine."[14] The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..."[15] He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness,[16] afforded no legal protection,[17] and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time.[18] He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them".[19] Luther claims that Jewish history was "assailed by much heresy", and that Christ swept away the Jewish heresy and goes on to do so, "as it still does daily before our eyes." He stigmatizes Jewish Prayer as being "blasphemous" (sic) and a lie, and vilifies Jews in general as being spiritually "blind" and "surely possessed by all devils." Luther has a special spiritual problem with Jewish circumcision.[20][21] The full context in which Martin Luther advocated that Jews be slain in On the Jews and Their Lies is as follows in Luther's own words:

There is no other explanation for this than the one cited earlier from Moses - namely, that God has struck [the Jews] with 'madness and blindness and confusion of mind' [Deuteronomy 28:28]. So we are even at fault in not avenging all this innocent blood of our Lord and of the Christians which they shed for three hundred years after the destruction of Jerusalem, and the blood of the children they have shed since then (which still shines forth from their eyes and their skin). We are at fault in not slaying them.[22]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

Influence on modern antisemitism
The prevailing view[31] among historians is that Luther's anti-Jewish rhetoric contributed significantly to the development of antisemitism in Germany,[32] and in the 1930s and 1940s provided an ideal foundation for the Nazi Party's attacks on Jews.[33] Reinhold Lewin writes that "whoever wrote against the Jews for whatever reason believed he had the right to justify himself by triumphantly referring to Luther." According to Michael, just about every anti-Jewish book printed in the Third Reich contained references to and quotations from Luther. Diarmaid MacCulloch argues that Luther's 1543 pamphlet On the Jews and Their Lies was a "blueprint" for the Kristallnacht.[34] Shortly after the Kristallnacht, Martin Sasse, Bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Thuringia, published a compendium of Martin Luther's writings ; Sasse "applauded the burning of the synagogues" and the coincidence of the day, writing in the introduction, "On November 10, 1938, on Luther's birthday, the synagogues are burning in Germany." The German people, he urged, ought to heed these words "of the greatest anti-Semite of his time, the warner of his people against the Jews."[35]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_and_antisemitism

So your changing of the term "Christian" to "Messianist" in the words of Luther, the virulent consummate anti-Semite, are an affront and the height of hypocrisy. Leave it the way it is: both Luther and Hitler claimed to be Christians, not Messianists.

Hey Daqq can I quote passages of the Talmud that speak on Jesus and Mary and Christians in general? Two can play this game you know.
 

daqq

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Hey Daqq can I quote passages of the Talmud that speak on Jesus and Mary and Christians in general? Two can play this game you know.

Who am I to say? Quote whatever and whomever you will. But are you able to quote them without changing their words to suit your own machinations? Part of my point to Truster was that the writings of Luther were used by the Nazi's leading up to World War 2, so the way in which he subverted the words of Luther, (making him sound like a Messianic), was repulsive. Do you not understand that point? And if you do understand it why do you think it is game playing on my part? Are you a Luther loving Nazi Jew hater? If so why are you not also offended at what the OP did to the words of your beloved Luther? Or do you just have no clue what any of this was really about?
 

Epoisses

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Who am I to say? Quote whatever and whomever you will. But are you able to quote them without changing their words to suit your own machinations? Part of my point to Truster was that the writings of Luther were used by the Nazi's leading up to World War 2, so the way in which he subverted the words of Luther, (making him sound like a Messianic), was repulsive. Do you not understand that point? And if you do understand it why do you think it is game playing on my part? Are you a Luther loving Nazi Jew hater? If so why are you not also offended at what the OP did to the words of your beloved Luther? Or do you just have no clue what any of this was really about?

Are you a Torah loving Christian hater? Save me, works of my hands, save me.
 

daqq

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Are you a Torah loving Christian hater? Save me, works of my hands, save me.

Loving Torah the Living Word is not Christian hating. That is a false assumption. But knowing that the Word is Torah, as you have been shown, and then saying that you worship the Word but consider the Torah abolished, is buffoonery on your part. :)
 

Epoisses

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Loving Torah the Living Word is not Christian hating. That is a false assumption. But knowing that the Word is Torah, as you have been shown, and then saying that you worship the Word but consider the Torah abolished, is buffoonery on your part. :)

LOL. Your spell power is rapidly fading. Go pray for another vision from the UFOs to get a power up.
 

daqq

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LOL. Your spell power is rapidly fading. Go pray for another vision from the UFOs to get a power up.

I never prayed for any such thing, like I already told you, you are deceiving yourself for not reading what you found, and over above that you are mocking me for how Elohim dealt with me and delivered me when my daughter passed away, and that information is right there in what you keep mocking and ridiculing. You are sick, and warped, get some help.
 

daqq

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I quoted directly from your website, idiot! It was verbatim your own words about your visions of UFOs.

No, you did not fully quote what I actually said about those things: you lied and only quoted what you thought would make me look bad in the machinations of your vain imagination. You intentionally misrepresented my words just as Truster has done in this thread to someone else. Do you not understand the words, "evil only evil"? Of course you do not because you only see what you want to see and are only looking for ways to discredit me out of the revenge and evil only evil which resides in your heart.
 

daqq

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What's it like to ride in a UFO?

Did you get to fire the laser cannon?

I want to fire the laser cannon so bad! I would target my ex's house.

Why ask me? It is right there in my testimony which you keep mocking. I have never been in one. It was a vision and even at that I was not "taken" by that evil. How blind can you be? The murderous rage and hatred in your heart has blinded you.
 
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