Samie, you may have noticed I put an extra "M" in your name? Guess what that stands for? :think:
Kingdom gospel
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Grosnerd is all about the numbers. He gets the gold star for the most points.
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So I am starting to learn more about this 'kingdom gospel'. Apparently since Jesus used the phrase 'gospel of the kingdom' he had a different gospel than Paul or Peter or John. All the apostles had a little different understanding of the gospel but it was the same gospel. Jesus did focus on works but if we read the council of Christ to the seven churches of Revelation he was still focusing on works. Christ and James focused on works, Paul focused on faith and John focused on love. IT'S ALL THE SAME GOSPEL of grace by faith expressed in love!
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Rev. 2:4,5
Jesus told the church to repent and do works of love - sounds like the same message that gets labeled as the 'kingdom gospel' - LOL
Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. Rev. 2:4,5
Jesus told the church to repent and do works of love - sounds like the same message that gets labeled as the 'kingdom gospel' - LOL
I hold to a Mid-Acts Dispensational Perspective, more or less.
As with any school of thought out there; at times one will find different understandings on one thing or another even by participants within a same school.
The folowing is my understanding within MAD...
MADs hold to a Bible study principle referred to more or less as "the things that differ" principle.
Case in point...
Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
We read in verse 1 that at that point, that was "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;"
He is some three and a half years from being crucified.
The chances that - at this point in the narrative - verse 15's "believe the gospel" refers to believing that Christ died for our sins, are slim to none.
This is the application of "the things that differ" principle.
What is referred to in life in general as a Contrast between "things that differ" in one way or another.
The principle was not read into the passages first.
Rather; it resulted from a careful study of many, many passages, in search of an operating principle, if not principles, the passages appear to be following.
This is the case within any objective science - a means of objective observation of a thing is sought out first.
How? By way attempting to identify first, clear principles one might then apply as one studies a thing out, as well as, as a means of studying other things out objectively.
And until one understands the very principles behind what one is asserting; one has not yet really understood it.
Back to Mark one...
Mark tells the reader willing to apply this "things that differ" principle, what he (Mark) means by "the gospel of the kingdom" right there in...
Mark 1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
In verse 15, Mark relates what he meant by his words in verse 14's "preaching the gospel of the kingdom."
He meant that this good news of the kingdom was that "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand:"
As a result, all Israel was expected to "repent ye, and believe the gospel."
All Israel was expected to repent and believe the good news that "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand:"
What one begins to see in the above passages is that they appear to rely on some sort of a "things that differ" or contrast principle.
For in other parts of Scripture "believe the gospel" refers to believing that Jesus Christ died for one's sins.
Romans 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Clearly - there is a contrast between Mark one's gospel, or good news, and the above, in this respect.
Clearly - Christ has not yet gone to the Cross in Mark one.
Clearly - He has gone to the Cross by the time of when Romans 5 first began to be preached.
Once an operative principle is clearly identified; it is then tested and retested towards establishing whether or not it is actually a valid operating principle that one can THEN rely on, during one's attempt to understand other things in Scripture.
In the following this "things that differ" operative principle is found at work or in operation again; once more...
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
There, two systems described in Scripture are described as "things that differ" from one another.
As being in contrast to one another in some key way.
And here this "law of contrast" principle is once more - this time; in a contrast between verse 14's "things that differ" and those things that some might conclude as a result...
Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
My point?
Until we are on the same page about what principles one is to look at things from; we will not be looking at the various passages from a same perspective even though looking at the same passages.
In this, I am often amused by the different individuals and organizations on the internet who go by the name Berean.
For far too often they prove by their assertions that they are in no way like the following individuals...
Acts 17:10 And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so. 17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
More often then not; they prove to be too much like those of the very next passage...
17:13 But when the Jews of Thessalonica had knowledge that the word of God was preached of Paul at Berea, they came thither also, and stirred up the people.
Or as Paul described such...
"Desiring to be teachers... understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm" 1 Timothy 1:17.
Translated:
1. Clueless as to what "gospel" means, and...
2.Asserts "Dispensational Christians cannot be reasoned with, with their multitude of good news's in the book. Stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!There is not more than one piece of good news in the bible!!!!!!!!!!!
3. Judas was a 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV gospel/good news preacher, saved.
=demonic.
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Paul said the gospel was preached to Abraham. Did Abraham live before the cross?
Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. Gal. 3:6-8
The entire premise of your argument is nullified.
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You wouldn't know the gospel if you found one dead in your mickey mouse lunch box.
You've been reported again for foul language. You're not showing a good Testimony, are ya? You've been warned by the Mods about your "Smut" talk. Evidently, you don't learn lessons well.
Only 500 "Thanks" :rotfl:
You are correct.
The MAD doctrine claims Jesus kept the Jews under the law until grace came via Paul.
The Bible itself shows MAD to be the doctrine of a sect which denies the Spirit.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
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"Denies the Spirit" is not one of the errors of MAD that come to mind at all. I'd have to have some background.
Once again the grammar bites MAD in the butt. The "gospel of the kingdom" is an construction that does not necessarily mean "about" the kingdom, which was not an area with boundaries and offices, btw. It is a reign or rule. Greek usually goes to "peri de" when it wants to talk about the thing named. The expression is saying there is a rule or dominion of God and along with it some very good news that drives it.
There is only one of them. Jesus announced such authority very early in his ministry, in the first cross-proof miracle (an act that matched a declaration, performed at will): the paralytic in Mk 2.
The above sentence makes it sound as if you're wavering a bit? In other words: you're not on solid ground, which means you're just putting forth a personal opinion. I've seen some of your posts and I would wager you don't KNOW what you're talking about.
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It does not matter what you think of the gospel of the kingdom, all that matters is that the Twelve preached it for 3 years and it DID NOT include the dbr of the LORD.
Paul's gospel did.
Rocket science, this isn't.
Why just three years? Do you not know the gospel of the kingdom is still being preached today by followers of Jesus?
What gospel will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations before the end of the age?
SaulToPaul 2
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This gospel of the kingdom, which did not include the dbr of the LORD. This is an indisputable fact.
Do you mean the gospel that entering God's kingdom requires being born of the Spirit?