Hogwash.LOL...you googled the WRONG word, dumbo!
Hogwash.
You are a pretender.
This is a classic example of just how desperate you are to manufacture evidence.
In a way, it's understandable .... you've ONLY got inferences .. and not one single clear, simple and direct statement of your theory, while the Scripture is unanimously unitarian.
1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Cor 8:5-6 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"),
6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.
You didn't see John 17 in my post???So eager, all the sudden, to move past YOUR very own hand-picked example in John 17?
You are attempting to cancel out the direct statements of Scripture
NWL said:Q. Was Jesus death as mentioned in Romans 6:10 talking about the ransom?Is a ransom mentioned?
NWL said:Q. Are you now suggesting that God in times past has only provided the ransom and you no longer are arguing that God was the ransom?Apple7 said:Are you arguing that Jesus is God?
NWL said:Q. We both agree to what you say in regards to Psalms 49 "that man is unable to ransom another person, himself, nor is man able to provide a ransom to God for another man", but, were the men/mankind being spoken of referring to sinful man/mankind or sinless man/mankind?Apple7 said:Who is without sin?
Please show us the exegetical reasoning of these 30 renderings that you slavishly googled.
What's that?
None are worthy to show their reasoning?
If translators provide NO reasoning behind their renderings, then how can a mere witness?
Further, as you verified yourself, ALL lexicons provide the definition of ransom.
Every. Single. One.
Did it ever occur to you that the lexical terms are corollaries for one another?
Your brain.
Use it.
NWL said:Q. You say "no, this passage does NOT show that a ransom is OWED to God", does Psalms 49:7,8 say that no man can "give to God a ransom"?Apple7 said:Correct.
NWL said:Q. According to the verse why can man not pay the ransom to God?Only God can ransom a person's soul. Psalm 49.15; Hosea 13.14.
NWL said:Q. Does the below verse infer that if a man could pay for himself/another that they would "live on forever and not see decay"?
Deut 15.15 is YOUR example to begin with, witness!~
How many times do you expect me to finish your arguments for you?
We already know that JW's are lazy scriptural bottom-feeders, but come on...
Again....let me repeat, since this is YOUR example, show us EXACTLY how Yahweh ransomed His people from Egypt!
Ransomed us from whom?
Please provide the post number where you answered that question.You tell me Bowman, I've answered this question multiple times previously, you inform us.
In John 17:3, WHICH of these is the direct statement of Jesus?
- That God the Father is "the only true God"
- That God the Father is "the only person Who is the only true God"
Where, in Scripture, do you find a direct statement that Jesus is NOT YHWH?
Please cite, from Scripture, one or more places where Jesus refers to, or addresses God the Father as "my Lord". Why can't you do that?
Oh, and, why do you never reply to my posts in which I quote you, and why did you put me on "Ignore"?
Please provide the post number where you answered that question.
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You've assumed trinitarianism when reading John 17:3. The verse states the Father is the "only true God"
Once again, just answer the question and stop answering questions with questions.
Was Jesus death as mentioned in Romans 6:10 talking about the ransom?
I've nowhere suggested that Romans 6:10 mentions the word "ransom", I'm asking if there verse is talking in reference to the ransom.
Jesus himself makes it clear, Jesus is NOT the SOURCE of the commandments, sayings, logos he was speaking. His Father IS the source. .... Just like his Father promised in
Deut 18:17-19 And Jehovah said unto me, They have well said that which they have spoken. 18 I will raise them up a prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him. 19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
John 12:49-50 For I spake not from myself; but the Father that sent me, He hath given me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His commandment is life eternal: the things therefore which I speak, even as the Father hath said unto me, so I speak.
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I say unto you I speak not from myself: but the Father abiding in me doeth His works.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my words (logos): and the word (logos) which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's who sent me.
Jesus cannot be Jehovah.... Jesus' Father is Jehovah.
I believe that God the Father is (as per Jesus' words in John 17:3) the one true God; in believing that God the Father is the one true God, how, exactly, do you imagine I am ASSUMING TRINITARIANISM?
You are correct that Jesus, in John 17:3, states that God the Father is the only true God. And that means that He [Jesus] does NOT state, in John 17:3, that ONLY God the Father is the only true God.
In statement 1, only a single proposition is expressed: God the Father is the only true God.
- God the Father is the only true God.
- ONLY God the Father is the only true God.
In statement 2, not just one proposition is expressed, but, rather, TWO propositions are expressed:
A. God the Father is the only true God, and
B. Everyone who is NOT God the Father is someone who is NOT the only true God.
Now, proposition A is Scriptural, and so proposition A is true. It is proposition B that is the offending matter, here. Proposition B is NOWHERE stated in the Bible; not in John 17:3, nor anywhere else. Proposition B is what YOU believe; it is NOT what the Bible teaches. You do not get proposition B from Scripture, and thus, you get it from somewhere other than Scripture.
See, I believe that God the Father is the only true God, because, clearly, the Bible teaches that God the Father is the only true God.
I do NOT believe, with you, that everyone who is NOT God the Father is someone who is NOT the only true God, since the Bible not only does not teach that, but the Bible contradicts that.
I really don't know, here, if you are simply lying, and just playing stupid (perhaps begging for attention?), or if, on the contrary, you really are just as stupid as you sound, but, the bottom line is, it is nothing but sheer stupidity to not be able to differentiate between these two propositions:
A. [God the Father] is [the only true God]
B. [Everyone who is NOT God the Father] is [someone who is NOT the only true God].
The Bible affirms proposition A. The Bible never affirms proposition B.
Since you and I both agree that Jesus, in John 17:3, does NOT state that ONLY God the Father is the only true God, WHY do you believe that ONLY God the Father is the only true God