Jews and Muslims have no covenant with God

[Samie]

Jeremiah 31:30 and Ezekiel 18:20 are parts of the Bible and they said that no one can die for the sins of another. You must be reading from the gospel of Paul and not from the gospel of Jesus aka the Tanach.

Oh, really? Have you read this verse from the Bible, Ben?

John 6:51 51 "I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."

 

[Ben Masada]

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Jews and Muslims have no covenant with God.Jews and Muslims have no covenant with God, because the Old Covenant of Circumcision was revoked by God in 70 AD. Do Jews only study selected verses that fit their ideology, and do they ignore the verses they do not like? Do Muslims and Jews even know that the Old Covenant is revoked, and that they have no covenant with God?

Only Christians with zero knowledge of the Scriptures are able to say that Jews never had any covenant with HaShem.

Jews should study their bible. All nations were covered by the Covenant of Circumcision until it was revoked by God.

Read Genesis 17:21 and see that the everlasting covenant of the circumcision with Abraham was with Isaac and his descendants aka the Jewish People.

Zechariah 11:10 Then I took my staff called Favor and broke it, revoking the covenant I had made with all the nations.

Because the covenant with all the nations included all those who joined the covenant of God with His People Israel. (Isaiah 56:1-8)

Jeremiah 31:31“The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a covenant with the people of Israel (nation) and with the people of Judah (faithful.)

The days for the return of the Jews from exile when a New Covenant would be made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Nothing to do with Gentiles.

The Old Covenant of Circumcision was revoked by God, and a New Covenant was established in 33 AD. The New Covenant consist of keeping the Moral commands of God, the Sabbath, and being baptized in Christ name. I studied the Koran about the covenants, and it seems that Mohammad neglected to include a covenant for Muslims. Muslims and Jews cannot be included in a Covenant of Circumcision, because that covenant was revoked in 70 AD.

And of course, Paul revoked the Moral Law of the Catalog and the circumcision. (Rom. 7:6; Acts 21:21)

Again, the Old Testament says that God would revoked the Old Covenant of Circumcision and establish another covenant. Therefore Muslims and Jews are living with no covenant with God. Well, that is what happens when you follow Mohammad and his made up religion, or Jewish Rabbi's that do not listen to God.

The Lord said nothing of the sort. God is not like man to change His mind. This Christian claim is part of the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology which is akin to Christian Antisemitism.

Apart from the covenant of circumcision, God also made a covenant that He would not completely destroy the people, and that the seed of Abraham would continue. The covenant of circumcision is separate from the covenant that Abraham's seed would continue and not be completely cut off.

And the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology continues.

Here is that covenant that God promised Abraham that He would not revoke.Genesis 17:4-5.“As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. 5 No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. 6 I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.

By My Covenant, I will make with Isaac aka Israel. (Genesis 17:21)

And then God added this Covenant of Circumcision.Genesis 17:9-14. 9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. 10 This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep: Every male among you shall be circumcised. 11 You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and you. 12 For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised, including those born in your household or bought with money from a foreigner—those who are not your offspring. 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. My covenant in your flesh is to be an everlasting covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.” Forever is forever, unless the covenant is revoked.

An everlasting covenant. (Gen. 17:21) A covenant that would never end.

And sometimes Christians do quote the letter but can't see the truth in it.

Genesis 16:12 He (Ishmael) will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone’s hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.

This is a reference to material blessings Ishmael would get but the covenant would be made with Isaac aka the Jewish People. (Gen. 17:21)

Genesis 17:23 On that very day Abraham took his son Ishmael and all those born in his household or bought with his money, every male in his household, and circumcised them, as God told him.

This is a reference to those from the Gentiles who would convert and join Israel, God's People.

Exodus 13:13 Redeem with a lamb every firstborn donkey, but if you do not redeem it, break its neck. Redeem every firstborn among your sons.

This is a comment on the Jewish ritual laws. Nothing to do with Gentiles.

Psalm 83 5 With one mind they plot together; they form an alliance against you—6 the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, of Moab and the Hagrites,7 Gebal, Ammon and Amalek,Philistia, with the people of Tyre.8 Even Assyria has joined them to lend strength to the descendants of Lot.

They plot together against God's chosen people.

John 1:29 The next day John saw Yahshua coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

This is Hellenist language with the purpose to promote the gospel of Paul.

Galatians 3:14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through the Messiah Yahshua, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. The promise is life eternal.

There was never such a promise of eternal life because eternal only God is. We all
die including Jesus.

What was the covenant that God had made with the nations? Answer: It was the Covenant of Circumcision.

The Covenant of the circumcision was made with Isaac aka the Jewish People and the Gentiles who would join Israel by conversion.

We now live under a New Covenant. Yahshua did not revoke the Covenant of Circumcision, Yahwah did. Yahwah said He would introduce "a covenant," therefore that would make it a "New Covenant." He also said that it would not be like the Old Covenant. The Old Covenant is the Abrahamic Covenant of Circumcision. It is written that the Old Covenant would be revoked. Yahwah also said that He would do away with the festivals. So at what time do you think these things took place and the festivals stopped?

Yeshua never revoked the covenant of circumcision. He knew it was to be everlasting. (Gen. 17:21) He himself declared that he did not come to revoke any thing from the Law. (Mat. 5:17-19)

 

[Ben Masada]

Oh, really? Have you read this verse from the Bible, Ben?

John 6:51 51 "I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."

I am Jewish, Ma'am. Your question is irrelevant.

 

[Ben Masada]

The New Covenant is for all whom Jesus died for. And the Bible says Jesus died for all, for every man. And that includes both Jews and Muslims. This is part of the gospel Jesus wanted preached to the world before He comes again.

Are you implying that the Prophets of the Most High were liars, Samie? Read again Jer. 31:30; Ezekiel 18:20)

 

[CherubRam]

That's not what Jesus said when he sent his disciples on a mission to bring the gospel of salvation to Israel. He, loud and clear, forbade his disciples to to go the Gentiles but to the Jews only. (Mat. 10:5,6)

Isaiah 56:7
...for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations.

The disciples were to go to the Jews first to honor them for their service. And when the disciple were done speaking to the Jews, they then presented it to the Gentiles.

 

[CherubRam]

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Only Christians with zero knowledge of the Scriptures are able to say that Jews never had any covenant with HaShem.



Read Genesis 17:21 and see that the everlasting covenant of the circumcision with Abraham was with Isaac and his descendants aka the Jewish People.



Because the covenant with all the nations included all those who joined the covenant of God with His People Israel. (Isaiah 56:1-8)



The days for the return of the Jews from exile when a New Covenant would be made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. Nothing to do with Gentiles.



And of course, Paul revoked the Moral Law of the Catalog and the circumcision. (Rom. 7:6; Acts 21:21)



The Lord said nothing of the sort. God is not like man to change His mind. This Christian claim is part of the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology which is akin to Christian Antisemitism.



And the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology continues.



By My Covenant, I will make with Isaac aka Israel. (Genesis 17:21)



An everlasting covenant. (Gen. 17:21) A covenant that would never end.

And sometimes Christians do quote the letter but can't see the truth in it.



This is a reference to material blessings Ishmael would get but the covenant would be made with Isaac aka the Jewish People. (Gen. 17:21)



This is a reference to those from the Gentiles who would convert and join Israel, God's People.



This is a comment on the Jewish ritual laws. Nothing to do with Gentiles.



They plot together against God's chosen people.



This is Hellenist language with the purpose to promote the gospel of Paul.



There was never such a promise of eternal life because eternal only God is. We all
die including Jesus.



The Covenant of the circumcision was made with Isaac aka the Jewish People and the Gentiles who would join Israel by conversion.



Yeshua never revoked the covenant of circumcision. He knew it was to be everlasting. (Gen. 17:21) He himself declared that he did not come to revoke any thing from the Law. (Mat. 5:17-19)

Oh Ben! I see you are at it again.

 

[CherubRam]

A person at Islamic City: http://www.islamicity.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=35587&PN=2 asked me to explain the Christian New Covenant. I hope the person is sincere. I will work on making a presentation today. I hope they do not block that also. The conversation has been a bit lopsided.

Maybe they will allow some of my post tomorrow.

 

[CherubRam]

The New Covenant is for Muslims, but are there any Muslims being Baptized in Christ name? Are there any Muslims keeping the moral commands of Yahwah? Do any Muslims take part in the Lords Supper? The New Covenant is for all the peoples of the world.

A Bump for Muslims.

 

[Samie]

The New Covenant is for all whom Jesus died for. And the Bible says Jesus died for all, for every man. And that includes both Jews and Muslims. This is part of the gospel Jesus wanted preached to the world before He comes again.

Jeremiah 31:30 and Ezekiel 18:20 are parts of the Bible and they said that no one can die for the sins of another. You must be reading from the gospel of Paul and not from the gospel of Jesus aka the Tanach.

Oh, really? Have you read this verse from the Bible, Ben?

John 6:51 51 "I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world."

I am Jewish, Ma'am. Your question is irrelevant.

You are given Jesus' own words you're looking for. And He said He gave His flesh for the life of the world. And the world includes Jews like you, Ben. Jesus said He died for you. You won't admit it, but He really did. He loves you, too, and the Muslims as well.

 

[egyptianmuslim]

bump or bomb

We believe in Jesus as a messenger of God and we have our own rituals and law.

 

[CherubRam]

bump or bomb

We believe in Jesus as a messenger of God and we have our own rituals and law.

Are Muslim customs more important than their lives?

John 10:1
“Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.

John 14:6
Yahshua answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd.

 

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]Qur'an Contradiction:[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]What will be the food for the people in Hell?[/FONT]​

[FONT=&quot]The Qur'an makes the following statements regarding the food that unbelievers will have in hell:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]No food[/FONT][FONT=&quot] will there be for them but a bitter Dhari S. 88:6 Y. Ali[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nor[/FONT][FONT=&quot] hath he any food except the foul pus from the washing of wounds, S. 69:36 Y. Ali[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]In a footnote, Yusuf Ali gives the following explanation for Dhari: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is a plant, bitter and thorny, loathsome in smell and appearance, which will neither give fattening nourishment to the body nor in any way satisfy the burning pangs of hunger. ...[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Other translators render the term as "bitter thorn-fruit" (Pickthall) "dry, bitter and thorny herbage" (Sher Ali), "cactus thorn" (Arberry), "the foul thorn" (Palmer). [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Obviously, both kinds of ‘food’ are chosen to evoke a feeling of horror when thinking about Hell. However, the contradiction is in the double claim that this or that will be the only food, i.e. [/FONT]

• [FONT=&quot]No food except Dhari (88:6).[/FONT]
• [FONT=&quot]No food except foul pus (69:36).[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]There is yet another passage that is relevant to this discussion: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Is that the better entertainment or the Tree of Zaqqum?
For We have truly made it (as) a trial for the wrong-doers.
For it is a tree that springs out of the bottom of Hell-Fire:
The shoots of its fruit-stalks are like the heads of devils:
Truly they will eat thereof and fill their bellies therewith.
Then on top of that they will be given a mixture made of boiling water.
Then shall their return be to the (Blazing) Fire. S. 37:62-68 Y. Ali; cf. 56:52[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Thus, regarding this one topic alone, the Qur'an contains three contradictions: [/FONT]

1. [FONT=&quot]"Eating of the tree of Zaqqum" (37:66) contradicts "eating only Dhari" (88:6).[/FONT]
2. [FONT=&quot]"Eating of the tree of Zaqqum" (37:66) contradicts "eating only foul pus" (69:36).[/FONT]
3. [FONT=&quot]"Eating only Dhari" (88:6) contradicts "eating only foul pus" (69:36).[/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

[FONT=&quot]Internal Contradictions: [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

1. [FONT=&quot]Who suffers loss if Muhammad was wrong? Sura 34:50 commands Muhammad to say, "If I go astray, I go astray only to my own loss," which is a severe factual error in the Qur'an as well as contradicting the teaching of the Qur'an in a number of other verses.[/FONT]
2. [FONT=&quot]Allah, Adam, and the Angels. There are a great number of problems and inconsistencies between the several accounts of Adam's creation, Allah's command to prostrate before Adam, Satans refusal, etc.[/FONT]
3. [FONT=&quot]Who Was the First Muslim? Muhammad [6:14, 163], Moses [7:143], some Egyptians [26:51], or Abraham [2:127-133, 3:67] or Adam, the first man who also received inspiration from Allah [2:37]?[/FONT]
4. [FONT=&quot]Can Allah be seen and did Muhammad see his Lord? Yes [S. 53:1-18, 81:15-29], No [6:102-103, 42:51].[/FONT]
5. [FONT=&quot]Were Warners Sent to All Mankind Before Muhammad? Allah had supposedly sent warners to every people [10:47, 16:35-36, 35:24], Abraham and Ishmael are specifically claimed to have visited Mecca and built the Kaaba [2:125-129]. Yet, Muhammad supposedly is sent to a people who never had a messenger before [28:46, 32:3, 34:44, 36:2-6]. This article also raises other issues: What about Hud and Salih who supposedly were sent to the Arabs? What about the Book that was supposedly given to Ishmael? Etc.[/FONT]
6. [FONT=&quot]What will be the food for the people in Hell? The food for the people in Hell will be only "Dhari" [Sura 88:6], or only foul pus from the washing of wounds [S. 69:36], or will they also get to eat from the tree of Zaqqum [S. 37:66]? Together, these verses constitute three contradictions.[/FONT]
7. [FONT=&quot]Can Angels Cause the Death of People? The Qur'an attacks those who worship anyone besides God (e.g. angels or prophets) because those can neither create, nor give life, nor cause anyone to die. Yet, the Qur'an explicitly states that one angel or several angels are causing certain people to die [Sura 4:97, 16:28, 32, 32:11].[/FONT]
8. [FONT=&quot]Confusion Concerning Identity of the Spirit and Gabriel (a long discussion of dozens of references)[/FONT]
9. [FONT=&quot]'Iddah rules for divorced and widowed women appear to be arbitrary and inconsistent.[/FONT]
10. [FONT=&quot]Is there a minimum age of marriage for girls?[/FONT]
11. [FONT=&quot]To Marry or Not to Marry? The Qur'an forbids believers to marry idolatrous women [Sura 2:221], and calls Christians idolaters and unbelievers [9:28-33], but still allows Muslims to marry Christian women [5:5].[/FONT]
12. [FONT=&quot]Will it be accepted of them or not?[/FONT]
13. [FONT=&quot]Will Allah reward the good deeds of Unbelievers? S. 9:17 and 9:69 clearly say no. However, S. 99:7 implies yes. Moreover, S. 2:62 promises Christians reward for their good deeds. But S. 9:28-33; 5:17, 72-73 calls Christians idolaters, and S. 9:17 is very clear that idolaters will have no reward.[/FONT]
14. [FONT=&quot]Should Muslims Accept Peace or Not?[/FONT]
15. [FONT=&quot]Fighting All People Until They Do What?[/FONT]
16. [FONT=&quot]Compel them or Not?[/FONT]
17. [FONT=&quot]Can They Disbelieve in the Last Day and be Safe?[/FONT]
18. [FONT=&quot]Should Muslims show kindness to their parents? On the one hand, the Quran commands all Muslims to show kindness to their parents, even if they are disbelievers [17:23-24, 31:14-15, 29:8, etc.]. On the other hand, it demands not to show any love or friendship to those who oppose Muhammad, even if they are their parents [9:23, 58:22]. [/FONT]
19. [FONT=&quot]Can one be a believer in God and oppose Muhammad at the same time? [/FONT]
20. [FONT=&quot]How many mothers does a Muslim have? Only one [58:2, the woman who gave birth and none else], or two [4:23, including the mother who nursed him], or at least ten [33:6]? [/FONT]
21. [FONT=&quot]And it just doesn't add up: Sura 4:11-12 and 4:176 state the Qur'anic inheritance law. When a man dies, and is leaving behind three daughters, his two parents and his wife, they will receive the respective shares of 2/3 for the 3 daughters together, 1/3 for the parents together [both according to verse 4:11] and 1/8 for the wife [4:12] which adds up to more than the available estate. A second example: A man leaves only his mother, his wife and two sisters, then they receive 1/3 [mother, 4:11], 1/4 [wife, 4:12] and 2/3 [the two sisters, 4:176], which again adds up to 15/12 of the available property. [/FONT]
22. [FONT=&quot]How many angels were talking to Mary? When the Qur'an speaks about the announciation of the birth of Jesus to the virgin Mary, Sura 3:42,45 speaks about (several) angels while it is only one in Sura 19:17-21. (This article has received many Muslim responses which are quoted or linked and/or discussed at the end of the article.)[/FONT]
23. [FONT=&quot]Further numerical discrepancies Does Allah's day equal to 1,000 human years (Sura 22:47, 32:5) or 50,000 human years (Sura 70:4)? --- According to Sura 56:7 there will be THREE distinct groups of people at the Last Judgement, but 90:18-19, 99:6-8, etc. mention only TWO groups. --- There are conflicting views on who takes the souls at death: THE Angel of Death [32:11], THE angels (plural) [47:27] but also "It is Allah that takes the souls (of men) at death." [39:42] Angels have 2, 3, or 4 pairs of wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings. [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 455] [/FONT]
24. [FONT=&quot]How many days did Allah need to destroy the people of Aad? One day [54:19] or several days [41:16; 69:6,7] [/FONT]
25. [FONT=&quot]Six or eight days of creation? Sura 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 clearly state that God created "the heavens and the earth" in six days. But in 41:9-12 the detailed description of the creation procedure adds up to eight days. (This topic also includes many Muslim responses and further discussion.)[/FONT]
26. [FONT=&quot]Quick or Slow Creation? Allah creates the heavens and the earth in six days [7:54] and many Muslims want to be modern and scientific, and make that six eons, but then again, He creates instantaneously [2:117], "Be! And it is".[/FONT]
27. [FONT=&quot]Heavens or Earth? Which was created first? First earth and then heaven [2:29], heaven and after that earth [79:27-30].[/FONT]
28. [FONT=&quot]Calling together or ripping apart? In the process of creation heaven and earth were first apart and are called to come together [41:11], while 21:30 states that they were originally one piece and then ripped apart.[/FONT]
29. [FONT=&quot]What was man created from? A blood clot [96:1-2], water [21:30, 24:45, 25:54], "sounding" (i.e. burned) clay [15:26], dust [3:59, 30:20, 35:11], nothing [19:67] and this is then denied in 52:35, earth [11:61], a drop of thickened fluid [16:4, 75:37][/FONT]
30. [FONT=&quot]What were jinn created from?[/FONT]
31. [FONT=&quot]The descent of the Quran: Piecemeal or all at once?[/FONT]
32. [FONT=&quot]Examining the inherent problems with the descent of the Quran[/FONT]
33. [FONT=&quot]Is half the Quran already fully detailed?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Fully Detailed Or Incomplete? The Qur'an claims for itself to be (fully) detailed, that nothing is left out of the book [6:38, 6:114, 12:111, 16:89 etc.]. However there are plenty [/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

1. [FONT=&quot]of important issues which are left unclear in the Qur'an. This article discusses the confusion found in the quranic statements on wine.[/FONT]
2. [FONT=&quot]Is the Quran Completely Clear or Not?[/FONT]
3. [FONT=&quot]The Perspicuity of the Quran and It’s Mysterious Letters[/FONT]
4. [FONT=&quot]Worshiping the Same or a Different God? Muhammad is commanded to speak to the disbelievers: ... nor do you worship what I worship [109:3]. However, other verses in the Qur'an state clearly that those disbelieving his message are in fact worshiping the same God, Allah.[/FONT]
5. [FONT=&quot]Did the Meccan Polytheist Believe That Allah Was The Supreme Being?[/FONT]
6. [FONT=&quot]To Intercede or Not To Intercede? - That is the Question! The Qur'an makes contradictory statements whether on the Day of Judgment intercession will be possible. No: [2:122-123, 254; 6:51; 82:18-19; etc.]. Yes: [20:109; 34:23; 43:86; 53:26; etc.]. Each position can be further supported by ahadith.[/FONT]
7. [FONT=&quot]How the Islamic Doctrine of Intercession undermines Allah's Omniscience[/FONT]
8. [FONT=&quot]Where is Allah and his throne? Allah is nearer than the jugular vein [50:16], but he is also on the throne [57:4] which is upon the water [11:7], and at the same time so far away, that it takes between 1,000 and 50,000 years to reach him [32:5, 70:4].[/FONT]
9. [FONT=&quot]The origin of calamity? Is the evil in our life from Satan [38:41], Ourselves [4:79], or Allah [4:78]?[/FONT]
10. [FONT=&quot]How merciful is Allah's mercy? He has prescribed mercy for himself [6:12], yet he does not guide some, even though he could [6:35, 14:4].[/FONT]
11. [FONT=&quot]Does Allah command to do evil? No [7:28, 16:90]. Yes [17:16, ]. Two examples are also given, where Allah clearly commanded or permitted indecent actions [2:229-230, 2:187].[/FONT]
12. [FONT=&quot]Should Muhammad Get Paid Or Shouldn’t He?[/FONT]
13. [FONT=&quot]A Contradiction Regarding Muhammad's Fatherhood[/FONT]
14. [FONT=&quot]Will there be inquiry in Paradise? "neither will they question one another" [23:101] but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry" [52:25], "and they will ... question one another" [37:27].[/FONT]
15. [FONT=&quot]Are angels protectors? "NO protector besides Allah" [2:107, 29:22]. But in Sura 41:31 the angels themselves say: "We are your protectors in this life and the Hereafter." And also in other suras is their role described as guarding [13:11, 50:17-18] and protecting [82:10].[/FONT]
16. [FONT=&quot]Is Allah the only Wali? On the one hand, Allah is supposedly the only wali (protector, helper, friend) [9:116, 17:111, 32:4, 42:28], on the other hand, the messenger and the believers are walis [5:55, 9:71], Allah has walis [10:62], and he raises walis [4:75].[/FONT]
17. [FONT=&quot]Does Allah Act Alone Or Does He Have Partners That Assist Him?[/FONT]
18. [FONT=&quot]Is Allah the Only Judge or Not?[/FONT]
19. [FONT=&quot]Is Allah the only sovereign or isn’t he?[/FONT]
20. [FONT=&quot]Are all obedient and prostrating to Allah? That is the claim in 16:49 and 30:26, but dozens of verses speak of the proud disobedience of Satan [7:11, 15:28-31, 17:61, 20:116, 38:71-74, 18:50] as well of many different human beings who reject His commands and His revelations.[/FONT]
21. [FONT=&quot]Does Allah forgive shirk? Shirk is considered the worst of all sins, but the author of the Qur'an seems unable to decide if Allah will ever forgive it or not. No [4:48, 116], Yes [4:153, 25:68-71]. Abraham committed this sin of polytheism as he takes moon, sun, stars to be his Lord [6:76-78], yet Muslims believe that all prophets are without any sin.[/FONT]
22. [FONT=&quot]Abraham and the Sun[/FONT]
23. [FONT=&quot]Abraham's Monotheism[/FONT]
24. [FONT=&quot]Abraham's Progeny? How the Qur'an messed up Abraham's family tree[/FONT]
25. [FONT=&quot]Did All Prophets Receive the Same Book?[/FONT]
26. [FONT=&quot]The event of worship of the golden calf: The Israelites repented about worshipping the golden calf BEFORE Moses returned from the mountain [7:149], yet they refused to repent but rather continued to worship the calf until Moses came back [20:91]. Does Aaron share in their guilt? No [20:85-90], yes [20:92, 7:151].[/FONT]
27. [FONT=&quot]Was Jonah cast on the desert shore or was he not? "Then We cast him on a desert shore while he was sick" [37:145] "Had not Grace from his Lord reached him, he would indeed have been cast off on the naked shore while he was reprobate." [68:49][/FONT]
28. [FONT=&quot]Moses and the Injil? Jesus is born more than 1,000 years after Moses, but in 7:157 Allah speaks to Moses about what is written in the Injil [the book given to Jesus].[/FONT]
29. [FONT=&quot]Can slander of chaste women be forgiven? Yes [24:5], No [24:23].[/FONT]
30. [FONT=&quot]How do we receive the record on Judgment Day? On Judgement day the lost people are given the Record (of their bad deeds): Behind their back [84:10], or in their left hand [69:25]. [/FONT]
31. [FONT=&quot]Can angels disobey? No angel is arrogant, they all obey Allah [16:49-50], but: "And behold, we said to the ANGELS: 'Bow down to Adam'. And THEY bowed down, EXCEPT Iblis. He refused and was haughty." [2:34]. This article includes links to answers to four Muslim responses.[/FONT]
32. [FONT=&quot]How many wings does an angel have? Angels have 2, 3, or 4 wings [35:1]; but Gabriel had 600 wings according to Sahih al-Bukhari.[/FONT]
33. [FONT=&quot]Is Satan an angel or a jinn?[/FONT]
34. [FONT=&quot]Three contradictions in 2:97 and 16:101-103 Who brings the revelation from Allah to Muhammad? The ANGEL Gabriel [2:97], or the Holy Spirit [16:102]? The new revelation confirms the old [2:97] or substitutes it [16:101]? The Qur'an is PURE Arabic [16:103] but there are numerous foreign, non-Arabic words in it.[/FONT]
35. [FONT=&quot]Do not say, "Three"!? It is impossible to recite Sura 4:171 without transgressing the command contained in it.[/FONT]
36. [FONT=&quot]The infinite loop problem Sura 26:192,195,196: "It (the Qur'an) is indeed a revelation from the Lord of the Worlds, ... in clear Arabic speech and indeed IT (the Qur'an) is in the writings of the earlier (prophets)." Now, the 'earlier writings' are the Torah and the Injil for example, written in Hebrew and Greek. HOW can an ARABIC Qur'an be contained in books of other languages? Furthermore, it would have to contain this very passage of the Qur'an since the Qur'an is properly contained in them. Hence these earlier writings have to be contained in yet other earlier writings and we are in an infinite loop, which is absurd.[/FONT]
37. [FONT=&quot]Is the Torah like the Qur'an, or is it not? The Muslim claim of the corruption of the Bible leads to a contradiction between S. 2:24 and 17:88 on the one hand, and 28:49 and 46:10 on the other.[/FONT]
38. [FONT=&quot]Should Jews and Christians follow the Bible or the Quran?[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]"An old woman" and God's character About the story of Lot: "So we delivered him and his family, - all exept an old woman who lingered behind." [Sura 26:170-171] And again: "But we saved him and his family, exept his wife: she was of those who lagged behind. [/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

1. [FONT=&quot] [Sura 7:83]. Either this is a contradiction or if indeed Lot's wife is derogatorily called "an old woman" then this does not show much respect for her as a wife of a prophet.[/FONT]
2. [FONT=&quot]More problems with the story of Lot "And his people gave NO answer but this: They said, "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" [Sura 7:82 & 27:56]. Yet: "But his people gave NO answer but this: They said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." [Sura 29:29]. Obviously these answers are different.[/FONT]
3. [FONT=&quot]The "pleasure" of Allah? Is God's action of punishment or mercy and guidance or misguidance arbitrary? [/FONT]
4. [FONT=&quot]Did Abraham smash the idols? The accounts of Abraham, Suras 19:41-49, 6:74-83 differ quite a bit from Sura 21:51-59. While in Sura 21 Abraham confronts his people strongly, and even destroys the idols, in Sura 19 Abraham shuts up after his father threatens him to stone him for speaking out against the idols. And he seems not only to become silent, but even to leave the area ("turning away from them all").[/FONT]
5. [FONT=&quot]What about Noah's son? According to Sura 21:76, Noah and his family is saved from the flood, and Sura 37:77 confirms that his seed survived. But Sura 11:42-43 reports that Noah's son drowns.[/FONT]
6. [FONT=&quot]Was Noah driven out? "Before them *the people of Noah* rejected (their messenger): They rejected Our servant and said, 'Here is One possessed!' And he was driven out." [Sura 54:9] Now, if he is driven out [expelled from their country] how come they can scoff at him while he is building the ark since we read "Forthwith he (starts) constructing the Ark: Every time that the Chiefs of *his people* passed by him, they threw ridicule on him." [Sura 11:38] He cannot be both: Driven out and near enough that they can regularly pass by. [/FONT]
7. [FONT=&quot]Pharaoh's Magicians: Muslims or Rejectors of Faith? Did the Magicians of Pharaoh, Egyptians, become believers in the God of Moses [7:103-126; 20:56-73; S. 26:29-51] or did only Israelites believe in Moses [10:83]?[/FONT]
8. [FONT=&quot]How many gods did the Egyptians worship?[/FONT]
9. [FONT=&quot]Pharaoh's repentance in the face of death? According to Sura 10:90-92, Pharaoh repented "in the sight of death" and was saved. But Sura 4:18 says that such a thing can't happen.[/FONT]
10. [FONT=&quot]Abrogation? "The words of the Lord are perfect in truth and justice; there is NONE who can change His words." [Sura 6:115] Also see 6:34 and 10:64. But then Allah (Muhammad?) sees the need to exchange some of them for "better ones" [Sura 2:106, 16:101]. And it is not for ignorant people to question Allah because of such practices![/FONT]
11. [FONT=&quot]Guiding to truth? "Say: 'God - He guides to the truth; and which is worthier to be followed ...?" [Sura 10:35] But how much is left over of this worthiness when we also read: "Allah leads astray whom he pleases, and he guides whom He pleases, ..." [Sura 14:4]. And how do we know in which of Allah's categories of pleasure we fall? How sure can a Muslim be that he is one of those guided right and not one of those led astray?[/FONT]
12. [FONT=&quot]What is the punishment for adultery? Flogging with a 100 stripes (men and women) [24:2], "confine them to houses until death do claim them (lifelong house arrest - for the women) [4:15]. For men: "If they repent and amend, leave them alone" [4:16]. 24:2 contradicts both the procedure for women and men in Sura 4. And why is the punishment for women and men equal in Sura 24 but different in Sura 4?[/FONT]
13. [FONT=&quot]How are the sexually immoral supposed to be punished?[/FONT]
14. [FONT=&quot]The Problem of Divine Sovereignty, Predestination, Salvation and Human Free Will[/FONT]
15. [FONT=&quot]Who suffers the consequence of sins? The Qur'an declares that everyone will be held responsible only for his own sins [S. 17:13-15, 53:38-42]. Yet, the Qur'an accuses the Jews of Muhammad's day for the sins committed some 2000 years earlier by other Jews, e.g. worshipping the Golden Calf idol.[/FONT]
16. [FONT=&quot]Will Christians enter Paradise or go to Hell? Sura 2:62 and 5:69 say "Yes", Sura 5:72 (just 3 verses later) and 3:85 say "No".[/FONT]
17. [FONT=&quot]God alone or also men? Clear or incomprehensible? The Qur'an is "clear Arabic speech." [16:103] Yet "NONE knows its interpretation, save only Allah." [3:7]. Actually, "men of understanding do grasp it." [3:7][/FONT]
18. [FONT=&quot]Was Pharaoh Drowned or Saved when chasing Moses and the Israelites? Saved [10:92], drowned [28:40, 17:103, 43:55].[/FONT]
19. [FONT=&quot]When Commanded Pharaoh the Killing of the Sons? When Moses was a Prophet and spoke God's truth to Pharaoh [40:23-25] or when he was still an infant [20:38-39]?[/FONT]
20. [FONT=&quot]When/how are the fates determined? "The night of power is better than a thousand months. The angels and spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees." [97:3,4] "Lo! We revealed it on a blessed night." [44:3] To Muslims, the "Night of Power" is a blessed night on which fates are settled and on which everything relating to life, death, etc., which occurs throughout the year is decreed. It is said to be the night on which Allah's decrees for the year are brought down to the earthly plane. In other words, matters of creation are decreed a year at a time. Contradicting this, Sura 57:22 says, "No affliction befalls in the earth or in your selves, but it is in a Book before we create it." This means it is written in the Preserved Tablet, being totally fixed in Allah's knowledge before anyone was created. All of the above is contradicted by "And every man's fate We have fastened to his own neck." This says that man alone is responsible for what he does and what happens to him. [17:13][/FONT]
21. [FONT=&quot]Wine: Good or bad? Strong drink and ... are only an infamy of Satan's handiwork. [5:90, also 2:219]. Yet on the other hand in Paradise are rivers of wine [47:15, also 83:22,25]. How does Satan's handiwork get into Paradise?[/FONT]
22. [FONT=&quot]Good News of Painful Torture? Obviously, announcing torment and suffering to anyone is bad news, not good news. However, the Qur'an announces the good news of painful torment [3:21, 4:138, 9:3, 9:34, 31:7, 45:8, and 84:24].[/FONT]
23. [FONT=&quot]Jinns and men created for worship or for Hell? Created only to serve God [Sura 51:56], many of them made for Hell [Sura 7:179].[/FONT]
24. [FONT=&quot]Preferred for Hell? S. 17:70 says that Allah prefers (all) the children of Adam over many of his creatures, but S. 98:6 declares the majority of men to be the worst of creatures, many of them being even created specifically for Hell (S. 7:179).[/FONT]
25. [FONT=&quot]Will people stay in Hell forever, or not?[/FONT]
26. [FONT=&quot]Will all Muslims go to Hell? According to Sura 19:71 every Muslim will go to Hell (for at least some time), while another passage states that those who die in Jihad will go to Paradise immediately.[/FONT]
27. [FONT=&quot]Will Allah disgrace Muslims? On the day of judgment Allah will not humiliate or disgrace the Prophet and those who believe in him [S. 66:8]. However, 19:71 says that everyone will enter Hell, and 3:192 states that whomsoever Allah sends to Hell, is disgraced thereby.[/FONT]

 

[CherubRam]

1. [FONT=&quot]Will Jesus burn in Hell? Jesus is raised to Allah, [Sura 4:158], near stationed with him [Sura 3:45], worshiped by millions of Christians, yet Sura 21:98 says, that all that are worshiped by men besides Allah will burn in Hell together with those who worship them. [/FONT]
2. [FONT=&quot]Is Jesus God or Not? In Sura 16:17, 20-21 and S. 25:3 we find a criterion to distinguish the true God from false gods. Yet, according to S. 3:49, 55, 4:157-158, 5:110, 6:2, and 38:71-72 Jesus satisfies the definition and should be considered true Deity.[/FONT]
3. [FONT=&quot]Is Jesus Like Adam? S. 3:59 makes this claim, but how many aspects of likeness are there really?[/FONT]
4. [FONT=&quot]Can there be a son without a consort? Allah cannot have a son without a consort [Sura 6:101], but Mary can have a son without a consort because that is easy for Allah [Sura 19:21].[/FONT]
5. [FONT=&quot]Who is the father of Jesus? A more involved argument that is difficult to summarize in one sentence.[/FONT]
6. [FONT=&quot]Begetting and Self-sufficiency A self-contradiction on account of confused terminology.[/FONT]
7. [FONT=&quot]Could Allah have a son? Sura 39:4 affirms and Sura 6:101 denies this possibility.[/FONT]
8. [FONT=&quot]Did Jesus Die already? Sura 3:144 states that all messengers died before Muhammad. But 4:158 claims that Jesus was raised to God (alive?). [/FONT]
9. [FONT=&quot]One Creator or many? The Qur'an uses twice the phrase that Allah is "the best of creators" [23:14, 37:125]. What other creators are in mind? On the other hand, many verses make clear that Allah alone is "the creator of all things" [e.g. 39:62]. There is nothing left for others to be a creator of.[/FONT]
10. [FONT=&quot]From among all nations or from Abraham's seed? Sura 29:27 states that all prophets came Abraham's seed. But 16:36 claims that Allah raised messengers from among every people.[/FONT]
11. [FONT=&quot]Marrying the wives of adopted sons? It is important that Muslims can marry the divorced wives of adopted sons [Sura 33:37], yet it is forbidden to adopt sons [Sura 33:4-5].[/FONT]
12. [FONT=&quot]Messengers were never sent to other than their own people? So it is claimed in Sura 14:4 and 30:47. However, the Bible and the Qur'an, and the Muslim traditions confirm that Jonah was sent to a different nation.[/FONT]
13. [FONT=&quot]Messengers Were Sent Only to Their Own People? Sura 14:4 states that never was a messenger sent except in the language of his own people. Yet, the Quran itself claims that Jesus is supposed to be a sign to all people, that the Torah and Gospel are for all people, that Moses was sent to Pharaoh of Egypt, and that Muhammad is sent to all of mankind. The hadith also claim that Noah was sent to "the inhabitants of the earth".[/FONT]
14. [FONT=&quot]Did Allah give a Greek Injil to the Jews?[/FONT]
15. [FONT=&quot]What kind of book is the Injil?[/FONT]
16. [FONT=&quot]Messengers Amongst the Jinns and Angels? Allah sent only men as messengers [Suras 12:109, 21:7-8, 25:20-21] but there seemingly are messengers from Jinns and Angels [6:130; 11:69,77; 22:75; etc., see article for details].[/FONT]
17. [FONT=&quot]Do all of God's messengers eat food?[/FONT]
18. [FONT=&quot]A Messenger from among the beasts? Allah sent only men as messengers [Suras 12:109, 21:7-8, 25:20-21]. Yet, the Qur'an also speaks about a beast that is a messenger from Allah to men [S. 27:82].[/FONT]
19. [FONT=&quot]Is Muhammad Only A Warner or a Prophet/Messenger?[/FONT]
20. [FONT=&quot]Did the Messengers Perform Miracles?[/FONT]
21. [FONT=&quot]Divinely Inspired Ignorance?[/FONT]
22. [FONT=&quot]Which Prophets Did the Jews Kill?[/FONT]
23. [FONT=&quot]Another eleven contradictions...[/FONT]

 

[egyptianmuslim]

1- Jesus isn't responsible of trinity to be burn in fire
2,3 - Jesus is like Adam who is created, God isn't created
4- God doesn't give birth and isn't born
5- Jesus like Adam , without father
6-???
7- Don't ask, can God....??
8- Mostly was died just before or during rising but
he is alive now
9- Creation from nothing is the work of God only.
10- There were messengers before Abraham Noah is one of them...also there were many unknown messengers of God ie not mentioned in Bible or Quran
11- Adopt sons and take care of them but don't give him your name.
12- Jonah "YUNES" was 1st refused by his people
13- True God sent his messengers to their own people but the religion is for all mankind but Because Muhammed is the last of them he was for all mankind and JEHAD"do your best" is a duty in Islam to spread the religion..... all life of Moses was in Egypt and in house of Pharaoh......the true story of Noah is unknown
14-15, INJEEL is the words of Jesus to Jews ie aramic...
16- Angel are obdient to God by their nature and carried God's messages to God's human messengers.

But the Jinns and human are close related and they has free will and need to know God.
17- it is one of the miracles of the last day
18- human who eats foods, Jesus is one of them . But angels as God's messengers don't eat food but they did eat food with Abraham according to Bible, but Quran says they didn't eat foods
19- all
20-all miracles are not from the hands of God's men it from God to support his men
22- Quran does not mention them all but they tried to kill Jesus and Muhammed.... also Jesus said a story about one who sent his workers and they were killed one by one and he sent his son
..............
My q to you: why did God send messengers to human and who was the 1st one???

 

[CherubRam]

My q to you: why did God send messengers to human and who was the 1st one???

Peniel was the messenger of Yahwah in the old testament, he was with Yahwah in the beginning of creation. Peniel was born Yahshua the Messiah, because Yahwah created a body for him in Mary's womb.

 

[egyptianmuslim]

How did God communicate with his people?
A, by revealing

Who did the revealing?
A, God's angel to the human messenger

What is the job of human messenger?
A, teach the message of God to his folk

But God spoke to Moses directly

Quran4:163
Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms].
164
And [We sent] messengers about whom We have related [their stories] to you before and messengers about whom We have not related to you. And Allah spoke to Moses with [direct] speech.
.........
Was Peniel a human or an angel , and what did he tell "ie the 1st message of God to His people"??

 

[CherubRam]

How did God communicate with his people?
A, by revealing

Who did the revealing?
A, God's angel to the human messenger

What is the job of human messenger?
A, teach the message of God to his folk

But God spoke to Moses directly

Quran4:163
Indeed, We have revealed to you, [O Muhammad], as We revealed to Noah and the prophets after him. And we revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, the Descendants, Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the book [of Psalms].
164
And [We sent] messengers about whom We have related [their stories] to you before and messengers about whom We have not related to you. And Allah spoke to Moses with [direct] speech.
.........
Was Peniel a human or an angel , and what did he tell "ie the 1st message of God to His people"??

There is no such thing as "angels" or "Hell," those are pagan beliefs. There are messengers of Yahwah from heaven and those who are born upon the earth. The word Hell is a Catholic corruption of our scriptures.