You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. Murder.
Once Uriah was dead Bathsheba was no longer married which is the reason David had him killed.
Jesus said, "And Few There Be That Find It" Matthew 7:14
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You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. Murder.
Once Uriah was dead Bathsheba was no longer married which is the reason David had him killed.
The article on adultery in the Jewish Encyclopedia provides a different interpretation.
Jesus endorses the principle of loving your neighbor AS yourself, not instead OF yourself. Our closest neighbors are our family.
Jesus died for God's family and we should be willing, if we are able, to do the same for our family. Or lie a coward in our grave.
You are dismissing the fact that Jesus says to imitate Him. Jesus gave a good example how to love our enemy with words and deeds. He did not kill no one in his stay on earth.
Why do you dismiss this simple fact?
Jesus did not need to kill anyone during his life as a human and not everyone in the military has killed anyone.
The purpose of our military is not to murder people, and those who do are court-martialed.
Jesus did not kill anyone because He does not endorse violent act.
Jesus did not do it and why do you have to need to kill to justify your own desire?
and don't forget, those persecuted faithful ones did not kill anyone for self-defense, either.
there are all kinds of admonishment about violence from NT faithful ones you are disregarding too.
Jamie,
here is more about pacifism.
Here is what Jesus has to say:Luke 6:27-36 King James Version)
27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32For if ye love them which love you what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34And if ye to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Fatheralso is merciful.
and some more:
Matthew 26:52
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."
John 18:36
And His faithful disciple harmonize with Jesus' word:
For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 corinthian 10:4-5)
Romans 12:17-21
17Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
II Corinthians 10:3,4
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds."
Ephesians 6:12
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
here is more about pacifism.
Here is what Jesus has to say:Luke 6:27-36 King James Version)
27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.
29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.
30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.
31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.
32For if ye love them which love you what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.
34And if ye to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.
35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.
36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Fatheralso is merciful.
and some more:
Matthew 26:52
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.
Matthew 5:9
Blessed are the peacemakers, For they shall be called sons of God.
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."
John 18:36
And His faithful disciple harmonize with Jesus' word:
For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ. (2 corinthian 10:4-5)
Romans 12:17-21
17Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. 20Therefore "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; If he is thirsty, give him a drink; For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head." 21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
II Corinthians 10:3,4
"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds."
Ephesians 6:12
"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."
Sonnet
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Nevertheless, David was guilty of adultery. Surely you are not denying this?
Sonnet
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It is one of the ten commandments.
whatever67
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thank u for that. And then there is that psg in the OT that says he who won't take care of his own is worse than an unbeliever
whatever67
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do you think someone who has committed adultery and been married several times should be president?
whatever67
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so you dont think we should try to get rid of the jihadists?
you dont see the war on them as trying to protect innocent humans, many of whom are your brothers/sisters in Christ??
:think:
whatever67
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Then why do we as a society condone baby murder?
oh, that's right, we are no longer a Christian nation
Sonnet
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do you think someone who has committed adultery and been married several times should be president?
Can't answer that.
do you think someone who has committed adultery and been married several times should be president?
Why not? He should be a good negotiator by now.
Sonnet
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Leviticus 20:10
10“ ‘If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death.
Bociferous
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Jesus spoke primarily in metaphors. Why do you think the Matthew 7 passages are talking about eternal salvation rather than a temporal state of affairs?
Bociferous
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Quote Originally Posted by whatever67 View Post
do you think someone who has committed adultery and been married several times should be president?
do you think someone who has committed adultery and been married several times should be president?
Now that's funny. You do have a sense of humor!
Jesus elevated that law and spiritualized it.
So that now if you look at a woman with lust in your heart you have committed adultery, Luke 5:27, 28.