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Interplanner
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There have been many other times on earth over the past 2000 years that were just as awful.
Awful? There is a time coming the likes of which the world has never know, a time that was like no other, a time that has never been until now, nor ever will be again.
As the days grow more wicked and perverse, babies aborted, young people throwing caution to the wind in seeking pleasure and self serving ways, people chasing after wind of doctrine to feed their empty soul so that it stays empty. All of that and more more so as we see that day approaching. It would be like watching people jump off the edge of the earth (so to speak) into the abyss of lost for all eternity and not warning to stop before they are lost forever.
So we have much to do; soul winning, praying for the soul winners, if we not soul winning. Ask the Lord for wisdom as s we serve Him with gladness. We have the opportunity to make a difference. There are a lot people seeking and hungering for the truth, so why don't we give it to them.
As the days grow more wicked and perverse, babies aborted, young people throwing caution to the wind in seeking pleasure and self serving ways, people chasing after wind of doctrine to feed their empty soul so that it stays empty. All of that and more more so as we see that day approaching. It would be like watching people jump off the edge of the earth (so to speak) into the abyss of lost for all eternity and not warning to stop before they are lost forever.
So we have much to do; soul winning, praying for the soul winners, if we not soul winning. Ask the Lord for wisdom as s we serve Him with gladness. We have the opportunity to make a difference. There are a lot people seeking and hungering for the truth, so why don't we give it to them.
achduke
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Here is some research I have done recently with verses about the "Day of the Lord", "God's Wrath" and also "In that Day".
Job 20:28-29
Psalm 76:10
Isaiah 2:12
Isaiah 4:3-4
Isaiah 4:5-6
Isaiah 7:18
Isaiah 11:11
Isaiah 13:4-6
Isaiah 13:9-11
Isaiah 19:16-17
Isaiah 24:21-22
Isaiah 26:1
Isaiah 27:1
Isaiah 27:12-13
Isaiah 34:8
Jeremiah 30:7-8
Jeremiah 46:10
Ezekiel 30:3-4
Ezekiel 30:9
Ezekiel 38:14-16
Daniel 12:1-2
Hosea 9:5
Joel 1:15
Joel 2:1-2
Joel 2:23-28
Joel 2:32
Joel 3:12-14
Joel 3:16-18
Amos 5:18-20
Amos 8:3
Amos 8:9
Amos 9:11
Obadiah 1:15
Micah 4:6-7
Micah 4:8
Micah 5:8-9
Zephaniah 1:8
Zephaniah 1:14-18
Zephaniah 2:2
Zephaniah 3:8
Zephaniah 3:11-13
Zephaniah 3:14-20
Zechariah 2:11
Zechariah 9:16-17
Zechariah 12:8
Zechariah 12:11
Zechariah 14:2
Zechariah 14:20-21
Malachi 4:1-2
Matthew 7:22-23
Matthew 24:30-31
Mark 13:26-27
Luke 21:20
John 6:40
John 11:24
John 12:48
John 16:26
Romans 1:18
Romans 2:5
Romans 2:16
Romans 5:9
Romans 12:19
Philippians 1:6
Colossians 3:6
1 Corinthians 1:8
1 Thessalonians 5:2
1 Thessalonians 5:9
2 Timothy 1:12
2 Timothy 4:8
Revelation 6:15-17
Revelation 14:19
Revelation 20:8-9
Revelation 22:5
:cheers: Well said.
Interplanner
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Yes, a third of Europe died of plague and Islam was banging on two doors. 60000 women were burnt for being witches that caused awful weather. No one knew that rats carried the plague. People worked their whole lives building stone cathedrals for the Papacy and never had a place to call their own; even that was part of the deal.
There are actually a number of things that are in better condition than ever due to the residual force of the word of God on people's consciences. Whether they give credit for it or not.
Don't mix 1st century Judean events with worldwide events. No worldwide events will accomplish what the final judgement of God will do, where everyone will be present from all ages.
Final judgment for the unsaved, lost forever throughout a never ending eternity.
Don't mix what?
Don't mix what?
Interplanner's beliefs are somewhere along the following - he believes that Christ returned in 70AD, in the person of Rome's Military might, and we have been living in the Millennium ever since.
So, what is happening in the world is not any kind of a sign that the Lord's return is near, because all that happened in 70AD.
That all that is left is when the Millennium is over and the world is judged. And the Millennium is, in his view, not a literal thousand years.
I don't hold to current events as a sign of His soon return either.
At the same time, neither do I hold to these - Interplanner's, Teltelestai's, the Berean's, Aaron the tall's (and a few others on here) - 70AD ideas.
Interplanner
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Very mistaken.
The DofJ was in 70AD. In the original predictions it was said that the worldwide judgement would happen right after, but there was an allowance for delay. There has been.
re the millenium, there is a reign of Christ since the resurrection. It is through the proclamation of the Gospel and that he has been made Lord and Christ. I don't see where the millenium in the Rev is mentioned in any ordinary letter, and I don't see where it is Judaic. It also ends in a worldwide rebellion that harms believers but is stopped in final judgement.
I find Danoh incompetent to comprehend positions or summarize them.
The DofJ was in 70AD. In the original predictions it was said that the worldwide judgement would happen right after, but there was an allowance for delay. There has been.
re the millenium, there is a reign of Christ since the resurrection. It is through the proclamation of the Gospel and that he has been made Lord and Christ. I don't see where the millenium in the Rev is mentioned in any ordinary letter, and I don't see where it is Judaic. It also ends in a worldwide rebellion that harms believers but is stopped in final judgement.
I find Danoh incompetent to comprehend positions or summarize them.
Interplanner
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Don't mix what Christ said about 1st century Judaism/Israel with the worldwide judgement.
Mt24A is about 1st century Judea. Just check the context, the intro and the setting. Then in v29 the setting changes and is worldwide. But a delay is allowed, in that only the Father knows the final day.
So no events need to happen in modern Israel for the worldwide judgement to take place. There is no prophetic significance to modern Israel. The worldwide judgement does not call for any battles in the middle east to happen. God is not doing things that way anymore. He does not have things to do for Israel that are unfinished.
Of all the apostles, I think Paul was the most surprised (or would have been) to find that there was a delay. He is the most certain of the wrath and return of Christ shortly. He (through Luke) does not mention a delay in Luke 21.
Lol, yeah, ok; your words for what I said...
so what has not been fulfilled?
iamaberean
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Jesus came to earth to do away with the old and set up the new. Only the Jews and false prophecy teachers do not believe he did. If they did they would not still be teaching judgment day is yet to happen. Judgment of who?, not Christians, for God has already judged us and we have been forgiven. Those that have not believed in Jesus will not be judged because there are no works that could save them, we are not living under the law of works. Is it to judge the Jews? Certainly not if the New Covenant is in force, why would there be a need for the saints of the old testament to continue to wait for their resurrection?
Think about it, false prophecy teachers base everything upon their interpretation of the book of Revelation, and that is symbolic language and can be made to mean anything. For example, "the United States is mentioned in the bible", "A Pope will be the anti-Christ" , "Rome is the whore" on and on it goes. and none of that is confirmed by scripture.
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Lol - your avatar (at the time of this post) maybe of Sherlock Holmes, but your notions are those of his originator, the late Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.
Who, despite all that great wisdom in principles of sound detection he has Holmes spout, Doyle was nevertheless taken in by the many phony spiritists of his day, despite the great Harry Houdini's continually proving one after another them false prophets.
Yours is Doyle's same foolishness - the false prophets of Preterism, "Partial" or not, that you and several others on here spout, unable to prove any of it through Scripture alone.
Lol, I know, first the secular history, the theology.
Try selling this "history first" notion to the Native American, the African American, the Chinese and Japanese American, the Hispanic American, the...
You might get a decent offer from the RCC your doctrine originated from to begin with - now there is an institution well-versed in "the history first."
iamaberean
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You have not quoted one scripture that might prove what I said is wrong. You must be a VIP, in your own eyes, because you think what you say carries more authority than God's word.
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Interplanner
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Sometimes Danoh doesn't even sound like he read a post and is commenting on that post, let alone Scripture.
Livelystone
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The generations that are counted stopped at 43 which is the generation spoken of by Jesus still here on earth, AKA the Body of Christ on earth from the Head in Heaven Jesus Christ sitting at the right hand of God
Jesus (the head) was the 42nd generation since Abraham (this is witnessed literally by the generations listed in Matt 1) or allegorically prophesied of by the 42nd encampment of the Jews from the time they left Egypt that was the first encampment of the Jews set up at Passover in the Promise land
So we have 42 generations until Christ (the head) and one more generation for Christ the body from the seed sown by Jesus at Passover and germinated in us by the fire and water (HOLY SPIRIT) at Pentecost that is still here on earth AKA 43 seed sown to serve Him and counted as a generation in Psalm 22:30 KJV
What we are waiting on is for those (the chosen remnant) of the 43rd who will become the manifested sons of Ro.8:19 to be made sinless so the head in Heaven will have a like-minded sinless body here on earth as a place to "rest His Head". (When Christ will appear on earth again) within those who are given the morning star AKA the fulness of Christ formed in them that is the high calling of our profession.
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Interplanner
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First let me say it is interesting to find someone who has actually tried to do something with the 1st page of the NT and its numerics. You would think with all the interest in the Rev and in Dan 9's 490 that someone would at least try to do something about the 6 7s (actually 3 14s) in Matt 1.
The problem is that scheme ends up in 280 AD. The birth of Christ is the 'sabbath' of the sequence, the 7th day. His day goes 1 7 into his age, or 40 x 7. Thus 280 AD.
One way to resolve this is to realize that the apostles thought the worldwide day of judgement was to follow the destruction of Jerusalem immediately. Mt 24:29. But there was an allowance that it might not, that the Father might delay the day of judgement, and indeed he did.
So as historian Lattourrette writes, Vol 1, p43, resolving the delay in the end of world history was the first major question before the remaining apostles after the destruction of Jerusalem and the Masada event. There was a delay after all and time appeared to be rolling on. What should they do? They just continued in the mission.
What we are saying is pretty similar, but I don't ground it in verses that have dramatic sounds to them (revealing of the sons of God, etc), but just in hopefully common sense about NT history.
Livelystone
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I wanted to use separate quotes but this old laptop is in overtime just being turned on
There is a lot more than immediately meets the eye about the 42 generations from Abraham to Christ that literally speaking was a time period of 2000 years but when we correlate it with the # 42 in months we come up with 1260 that is a well known number in Bible prophecy. Did you ever read any of Bill Briton's writings and in particular his works entitled 42nd Generation and Eagle Saints?
Like others he is not perfect but as far as I know he was the first to tie the 42 generations to Christ (who is our promise) with the 42 encampments to the Promised Land. For that he suffered a lot of persecution and in particular from the Pentecost's from where he came out of. He is mistakenly associated with the Latter Rain movement but that was just because he was from the same time period (mid 20th century). Personally I am not much for recommending the reading of the material of others simple because no one has it all right and I do not want to be held responsible for any mistakes not made by me. For sure with my life and history I have enough of my own without taking on anyone else's
You lost me with your dating on the destruction of Jerusalem. The temple that was destroyed in 70 was ONLY the one the Pharisees were speaking of and not Jesus. The Temple Jesus was speaking of was that of His Body AKA the Apostles and those with them who as individual livelystones each fitted together continued to exist and work together as the Temple of the Body of Christ on earth just fine until 95AD (or one year earlier or later) which is a date prophesied of in Daniel and spoken of by Paul in Thess
For sure the second destruction of Jerusalem 70 years later made the first one look like a walk in the park. The second destruction IMO fulfilled the OT prophecy in Jeremiah of when Jerusalem would be so thoroughly destroyed it would never be rebuilt again.
I say this because the second time the city was so destroyed that the city streets and blocks were torn up resulting in what was built on the same site no longer looked like Jerusalem and for that matter was given a different name for a significant length of time
If the second destruction of Jerusalem was not the fulfillment of when Jerusalem would be destroyed so thoroughly it would never be rebuilt means that prophecy has not yet been fulfilled therefore Jerusalem today has a date of thorough destruction written in prophecy that will be fulfilled.
Consequently I prefer to think the second destruction in 138 AD (thereabouts) was the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy
Interplanner
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I don't know anything that happened in @ 95 that matters. When Jesus spoke of the destruction of his body in Jn 2, he meant the Gospel event.
The destruction that was 'all that was written in judgement' of Lk 21 was that which ended 70AD.
Perhaps I'll find something else in your book, but haven't yet.
The destruction that was 'all that was written in judgement' of Lk 21 was that which ended 70AD.
Perhaps I'll find something else in your book, but haven't yet.