JESUS IS NOT YHWH
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1Mind1Spirit
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Jerry Shugart
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There is only one Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, and that is the LORD God. Here we can see that there is only "One" sitting upon "the Throne of God and of the Lamb":
"And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads" (Rev.22:3-4).
Now let us look at another place where we see "God" sitting upon that throne:
"And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son" (Rev.21:5-7).
Then in the next chapter the Lord Jesus identifies Himself as the "Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end":
"And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Rev.22:12-13).
How do we know that it is the Lord Jesus speaking there? Because John identifies him as the One who says Ï come quickly":
"He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus" (Rev.22:20).
Since there can be only "One" who can be the Alpha and Omega and the beginning and the end we can know for a fact that Jesus Christ is God.
Lon
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Often enough but then not on other points. Basically he believes the Lord Jesus Christ is Created both as Spirit and then as flesh. I completely disagree on both points (among others).So now you agree with Keypurr.
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Jerry Shugart
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Does the truth always make you sick?
1Mind1Spirit
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No, your mouth is sick.
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CherubRam
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Only Yahwah is the Alpha and Omega. The trinity concept is supported by translation error and deception.
Lon
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Not a chance. You cannot read Greek. What does that mean? It means you haven't the foggiest idea whether there is mistranslation.
It is second-hand information for you. Sorry, that just will not ever suffice. Can't.
1Mind1Spirit
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There was a time you'da been burned at the stake for that remark.
1Mind1Spirit
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CherubRam
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You desperately need a study bible Lon. Let us take a peek at history for one moment:
KJV 1 John 5:7 implicitly states that all THREE are ONE.
This is the only verse in the Bible that explicitly states that all three persons are one.
Unfortunately, it was added to that verse.
No earlier version includes that last phrase about them being one.
The first 2 additions of Erasmus' master Greek text did not have this.
Stunica (a Catholic authority) demanded that he include the phrase.
Erasmus told Stunica that if he could provide one Greek manuscript with that phrase, he would include it.
But no Greek manuscripts up to that time had it.
Only Latin manuscripts had it. So Stunica had a Greek manuscript made up from the Latin and forced Erasmus to include it.
In 1514, before Erasmus had even begun to edit his text, but its publication was delayed until 1522, until permission of Pope Leo X had finally been obtained for it.
"The supreme Pontiff Leo X, Our Most Holy Father in Christ and Lord, desiring to favour this undertaking, sent from the apostolic library."
This claim seems to have been accepted by all at that time.
In view of its inclusion in the Clementine edition of the Latin Vulgate (1592), in 1897 the Holy Office in Rome, a high ecclesiastical congregation, made an authoritative pronouncement, approved and confirmed by Pope Leo XIII, that it is not safe to deny that this verse is an authentic part of St. John's Epistle."
CherubRam
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Lon
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:nono: You might find a few ideas like 'only begotten' but begotten doesn't mean "didn't exist."
On the earth, there are about 2 billion Christians world wide. We make up about 1/3 of the world population. Of those less than 1% are Arian/Unitarian. How 'likely' is it that those who have only come 1900 are right? When not one of them can read languages? When they shun even their own people out of existence? Even Meshak, who thinks they are right, won't go to their meetings. How good can that be? So, literally one in a million Christians think like they do and none of them stellar scholars. Did God abandon people and only start saving again since the 1900s???
None of this seems reasonable to me and I can't listen to anybody that doesn't have a bit of foreign language under their belt. That wouldn't make any sense either.
Lon
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So did I. Didn't help. If you can't read, you are stuck with second-hand information with no way to verify anything.
There is no way you could assert anything because of it. You try, but with no ability so no authority. You are stuck parroting those you 'trust.'
I don't trust them. I do trust my own ability. I trust a few who can do it better than me as well.
1Mind1Spirit
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marhig
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God the father gave Christ Jesus the glory, and then Christ Jesus gave it to his apostles, and they aren't God! And they are one as God and Christ are one, as we also are one with them once we are born of God
John 17
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:*I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me
There is only one God, the father.
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD , and Jesus Christ, WHOM THOU HAST SENT.
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