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ONE God; THREE PERSONS.
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ONE God; THREE PERSONS.
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There aren't three separate and different persons making one God.
God IS SINGULAR.
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I am giving you scriptures. You are merely giving what some Catholic men claim.
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Jesus did create all things---AND SO DID THE FATHER. They are one and the same.
Nope.
From the very first verse in the Bible, God is described as a plurality.
Elohim
The "-im" ending in Hebrew denotes a plurality, such as in the following:
cherub -> cherubim
seraph -> seraphim
nephil -> nephilim
Thus
Eloh -> Elohim
In the beginning Elohim created the heavens and the earth.
Literally, in English, In the beginning [Gods] [He created] the heavens and the earth.
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Give the scripture for that and the Bible translation used.
God is singular.
The only way there are more gods is when there is an 's' at the end.
No such thing as three different persons making one God.
Uh... Genesis 1:1.
It's called Hebrew. Maybe you've heard of it?
Saying it doesn't make it so, and repeating it doesn't make you any less incorrect than the first time you said it.
In english, sure. But I'm not talking about English though, you dummy. I'm talking about in the Hebrew, you know, the language the Old Testament was originally written in.
Again, saying it doesn't make it so.
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Show the scripture and the Bible used.
Same to you too, no?
So you are a Hebrew and English translator? lol
N-MP
| Morphology: N-MPPart of Speech: - N: Noun Grammatical Categories: - Gender M: Masculine - Number P: Plural |
h430
| Strong's h430 - Lexical: אֱלהִים - Transliteration: elohim - Part of Speech: Noun Masculine - Phonetic Spelling: el-o-heem' - Definition: God, god. - Origin: Plural of 'elowahh; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative. - Usage: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty. - Translated as (count): Spoiler
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As for the version used:
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/
Do I have to be?
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NO, they are NOT "one AND THE SAME". They are both God but they are different persons.
And, ONCE AGAIN, you MISSED the POINT.
Jesus, the SON OF GOD, existed BEFORE ANYTHING WAS CREATED. The SON OF GOD is GOD and CREATED ALL THINGS.
Jesus did not "become the son" at His incarnation. That is what the BIBLE says.
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You think any of that means God is three different persons?
It does NOT say elohim means more than one person making one God.
By the way, you think Mr. Strong is qualified to say God is three different persons?
He was taught the trinity doctrine from the Catholics too.
Just because it is claimed the word can mean god(s) doesn't mean it is always gods.
It certainly doesn't mean one God is three different and separate PERSONS making one God.
The claim that you made was that God is singular.
The point of my posts was that God is not singular, as per your claim, but that He is, in fact, described as a plurality.
It means that the Bible says that God is a plurality.
Other evidence in the Bible and elsewhere is used to show that God is Triune.
The point I was trying to make wasn't that He was Triune based on that verse, but that based on that verse, we know He is a plurality and not a singularity as you claim.
I'm showing you that your position is wrong, not necessarily that my position is right.
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They would be different and separate GODS then.
The Bible says God the Father created all things. The Bible says Jesus created all things.
Which one are you going to pick to say created all things?
Jesus was called a son when he came to earth.
No, they wouldn't.
Please quote the verse that says "God the Father created all things" and not simply "God created all things."
Jesus was for eternity past and is and always will be the Son of God.
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God is singular.
God says He is one.
The word 'God' is singular as not having an 's' at the end of it.
No He isn't. He says many times He is one. He doesn't say He is three separate and different Persons making one God.
The Almighty God can do anything He wants, and He made Himself a body, and came to earth as a human and died for us.
There are three, but the three are the one and the same only God.
That is the same difference.
That information you gave does not mean God is three different and separate people making one God.
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All things were created by God the Father, Malachi 2:10
Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
So who do you say created all things, the Father, or the Son?
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No they wouldn't be.
GOD CREATED ALL THINGS.
Jesus has ALWAYS been the SON OF GOD. I showed you the scripture. Why don't you believe the scripture?
Joh 17:5 KJV And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Again, you cannot handle SIMPLE logic.
- Jesus, the Son of God, CREATED ALL THINGS.
- Since Jesus, the Son of God, ALREADY existed BEFORE ANYTHING was created, He did NOT "become the son" at His incarnation.
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Jesus was God from the beginning.
Now, who created everything, God the Father, or the Son?
Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?
Argument from repitition.
GT, out of curiousity, do you know the difference between single and singular?
And? So what?
One crowd of people is still a plurality, because it's more than one person.
The one God is a plurality, because He is three persons.
Yes, the English translation of scripture uses the singular form of the word God.
This does not change the FACT that the Hebrew uses the plural form of the word for God. And since HEBREW was the language the Old Testament was written in originally, it has priority for the intended meaning.
This does not change the FACT that God (the being, not the word "God") is a plurality, based on the FACT that the Hebrew uses not once or twice but literally THOUSANDS OF TIMES the plural form of Eloah when referring to God, "Elohim."
Uh, yes, He is, and I literally just showed you that He is described as a plurality.
"One" can mean a plurality. And in the case of the Shema Yisrael, "one" is used to describe the plurality of God, because it's describing a unity, not a singularity. The same with man and woman becoming "one flesh," two persons becoming a plurality of one.
Not the argument I'm making currently.
No one said otherwise.
I'll let Right Divider deal with this part.
No, GT, it's not, and saying it's the same is presenting a false dichotomy, because it assumes that either your position or my position is correct, and that there are no other position to consider, which is clearly false, as both you AND I could be wrong, though not likely.
Again, not my argument.
What it DOES mean is that your claim, "God is singular," is false, because the Bible shows God to be a plurality from the first verse in the Bible.
God being triune is a separate argument altogether, but in order to have the possibility of even making the argument, you have to be shown that God is not singular in nature, like Allah is, but plural in nature, such that He is multiple Persons as the one God.