God's Truth said:
You aren't paying attention.
Angels can sin too.
God can't sin, and , Jesus is God come as a man.
Where is the bible does it say Jesus could not sin? You are correct that God cannot sin but to say "Jesus is God come as a man" is incorrect and the very thing we are debating, no scripture (non-spurious) states that God came as a man, all you've simply done when you state this is assume Jesus is God come as a man who thus can't sin. Satan tempted Jesus, why would Satan attempt to tempt Jesus if he incapable of sinning? It's a pointless task, the only reason Satan tempted Jesus was because he had the potential to sin. If one were to say "satan wanted to see if Jesus was or wasn't God" then they would be ignoring the fact that if Jesus was God as man then Satan still wouldn't know if he was God by Jesus not sinning as there are many persons who do not sin when being tempted, so still, the fact remains, Satan tempting Jesus proves that Satan knew the man who was tempting was capable of sinning, why else would he do it. Think of Lukes account of the night before Jesus died, Jesus said
"Father, if you want to, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, let, not my will, but yours take place.” 43 Then an angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him" (Luke 22:42,43), Jesus was strengthened by an angel, why would Jesus who is incapable of sinning or falling into temptation according to you need to be strengthened just after asking the Father to "
remove this cup from me" referring to the death he was about to suffer if it was impossible for him to fail.
So again, Satan tempting Jesus proves he isn't God as why would Satan tempt someone who he knows cannot be tempted, to say "Satan didn't know if Jesus was God but wanted to see if he was" is bad reasoning as it ignores the fact that Satan still wouldn't know Jesus was God by him not sinning as 'not sinning' doesn't equate being God and Jesus needing to be strengthened after asking the Father "
remove this cup from me" shows he is capable of sinning since why would he need more strength to continue if he was incapable of sinning.
The fact remains, Jesus was a man just as men are men today, he was the "last Adam" and just as capable of sinning as you and I. Please show me why it couldn't be an angel. Angels are perfect beings, yes they're capable of sinning (as there are fallen angels, demons) but that does not mean they will sin if under trial, an angel could have taken on human form as Jesus did, resited the devil as Jesus did and died for mankind as Jesus did. Nothing you've said has refuted this idea yet, stating "angels can sin" is not proof that an angel would not be able to do what Jesus did.
Jesus is a spirit son of God as the bible states
"I [Jesus] live because of the Father" (John 6:57), God, however, doesn't live because of anyone,and that he is "the firstborn of all creation" (Col 1:15), Jesus is a spirit son of God as many angels are spirit sons of God, the same way angels can sin Jesus could sin.
Jesus was sinless because he chose the way that God his Father taught and not the way of his flesh.
You are a JW, so you don't believe that spirits don't die, so you won't understand a lot of things that are spoke of concerning the spirit.
Where in the bible does it state "spirits don't die" for you to claim they don't hmmm? You are the one who will and does not understand the scripture as you
assume spirits cannot die despite the bible never making such a claim.
God's truth said:
You are the one who is unable to be reasoned with.
Jesus says if to pluck out your eye or cut off your hand if it causes you to sin---BUT, those who do NOT obey Jesus won't pluck out their eye and cut off their hand---AND, those who do obey Jesus, they will stop sinning with their eyes and hands so then---SO THEN THEY WON"T NEED TO PLUCK THEM OUT AND CUT THEM OFF.
You don't have truth so you can't be reasoned with.
Why can't you answer m question directly, you're not a politician my friend, are you?
Again was Jesus being literal when he said "pluck out your eye or cut off you hand if it makes you stumble”, or was he being figurative? Does Jesus literally want people to chop their hands and pluck their eyes out if it "keeps" making someone stumble? Remember, I'm not asking what you believe actually happens to ones who obey and do not obey Jesus I'm asking if Jesus literally wanted people to remove limbs or if he was being figurative.
Moreover, Jesus wasn't making the point that no one sins, therefore it's not needed to cut off your limbs as you claim. The scriptures are clear, every man sins, even those who accept and follow Christ.
(1 John 2:1) "My little children, I am writing you these things so that you may not commit a sin. And yet, if anyone does commit a sin, we have a helper with the Father, Jesus Christ, a righteous one." John clearly implied there were sinners, you don't hear him repeating the claim to literally cut of limbs if they carry on, rather he states Jesus will help them, by means of his ransom no doubt. Paul wrote to the Christian congregation in Corinth encouraging them to stop sinning, the Christians were sinning, he didn't tell them to start cutting of limbs either, he just encouraged them to stop,
(1 Corinthians 5:1) "Actually sexual immorality is reported among you" or to throw out the one who call themselves Christian but fail to stop.